Guns, Guns Guns

Many of the weirdness in the Constitution were the result of a compromise between one state one vote, and one man one vote. The idea to protect personal liberty from the tyranny of a small majority. To protect these it was made very difficult to change.

Donnachaidh wrote:
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Pokermind: Don't go throwing stones in glass houses or calling kettles black. Republican presidents have done unpopular -with part of the country anyway- things with executive orders too. And when you get down to it, Obama is one of the most centrist presidents in decades.

I didn't care for George Bush's so called Patriot Act either. We must agree to differ on our interpretations of Obama I see him as the most despicable President in history, a corrupt, lying Bastard a pure socialist if not a communist. A man hell bent on destroying my country. IMHO you who get a tingle up your leg at his every word are deluded fools.

Well now that we have each flamed the other what makes you think he's a centrist? Name one of our liberties he has protected, come on name just one?

Poker

pokermind wrote:Many of the weirdness in the Constitution were the result of a compromise between one state one vote, and one man one vote. The idea to protect personal liberty from the tyranny of a small majority. To protect these it was made very difficult to change.

Donnachaidh wrote:
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Pokermind: Don't go throwing stones in glass houses or calling kettles black. Republican presidents have done unpopular -with part of the country anyway- things with executive orders too. And when you get down to it, Obama is one of the most centrist presidents in decades.

I didn't care for George Bush's so called Patriot Act either. We must agree to differ on our interpretations of Obama I see him as the most despicable President in history, a corrupt, lying Bastard a pure socialist if not a communist. A man hell bent on destroying my country. IMHO you who get a tingle up your leg at his every word are deluded fools.

Well now that we have each flamed the other what makes you think he's a centrist? Name one of our liberties he has protected, come on name just one?

Poker

Just as an outside perspective, we still see obama as reasonably right wing you know. even the democrat party of the states is still far to the right for some things as compared to mostt other countries right wings.....

Pokermind, I do respect your intellect and knowledge, and always read your posts first as they are interesting and insightful. Following on from my Kiwi neighbor I have to second his comments, in that generally the first world countries outside the US regard your politics as weirdly slanted to the right. From a distance, to me Obama and his policies appear similar to what our conservative leaders and policies are.
We (royal we, for us outsiders) find it strange that you don't have a nationwide universal safety net for health or welfare. With a similar hierarchy of political power we find it strange that Obama doesn't just push through national gun laws that override state and local laws; worked in our country.
Not bagging the US as it is a great country with proud traditions, but it is different to other western countries.
I'm seen as politically a bit of a mixture here, but I'm sure you would see me as a socialist and centrist, because I am and most of my country men/women are similar.
I'll end my bleat with the comment that the IMF and OECD both judged that the countries that came out of the GFC best were those with strong welfare etc. eg: Australia, Denmark, Sweden, NZ and so on.

Spacekiwi wrote:

pokermind wrote:Many of the weirdness in the Constitution were the result of a compromise between one state one vote, and one man one vote. The idea to protect personal liberty from the tyranny of a small majority. To protect these it was made very difficult to change.





Just as an outside perspective, we still see obama as reasonably right wing you know. even the democrat party of the states is still far to the right for some things as compared to mostt other countries right wings.....

[quote="Daryl"]Pokermind, I do respect your intellect and knowledge, and always read your posts first as they are interesting and insightful. Following on from my Kiwi neighbor I have to second his comments, in that generally the first world countries outside the US regard your politics as weirdly slanted to the right. From a distance, to me Obama and his policies appear similar to what our conservative leaders and policies are.
We (royal we, for us outsiders) find it strange that you don't have a nationwide universal safety net for health or welfare. With a similar hierarchy of political power we find it strange that Obama doesn't just push through national gun laws that override state and local laws; worked in our country.
Not bagging the US as it is a great country with proud traditions, but it is different to other western countries.
I'm seen as politically a bit of a mixture here, but I'm sure you would see me as a socialist and centrist, because I am and most of my country men/women are similar.
I'll end my bleat with the comment that the IMF and OECD both judged that the countries that came out of the GFC best were those with strong welfare etc. eg: Australia, Denmark, Sweden, NZ and so on.
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another to note, may be that while Australia is currently ruled by a left winger, NZ has since 2008 been ruled by a conservative party, who have looked at cutting back our military, have a leader who supports gay marriage, haven't dismantled ACC 9our version of medicare, pays for healthcare if injures in accidents or due to work related afflictions, eg hearing loss from loud environments), and other traditional 'left wing' politics. Denmark is ruled by a socialist block of parties, according to wikipedia, and sweden is a mix of parties from just right of centre to a bit beond that on the left hand side, and all 4 countries seem to have left wing policies in place at the moment, so it doesn't seem to be doing us any harm.

Curious statement in our press today says that for the duration of the Arab Spring there have been more gunshot deaths in the US than in the uprisings. Not saying it is true but the journalist claims his research says it is.

Daryl wrote:Curious statement in our press today says that for the duration of the Arab Spring there have been more gunshot deaths in the US than in the uprisings. Not saying it is true but the journalist claims his research says it is.

Couldn't be the difference in population? Not to mention that only the police and semi-official murder gangs were armed and the citizens could not shoot back. There's lying and lying with statistics, I wounder how many knifing deaths, honor killings, and stonings occurred? I wonder how these have increased since the Sharia Law lunatics took over the asylum? Being bludgeoned to death tends to be a tad more painful than a nice clean shot to the head

Poker

pokermind wrote:

Daryl wrote:Curious statement in our press today says that for the duration of the Arab Spring there have been more gunshot deaths in the US than in the uprisings. Not saying it is true but the journalist claims his research says it is.

Couldn't be the difference in population? Not to mention that only the police and semi-official murder gangs were armed and the citizens could not shoot back. There's lying and lying with statistics, I wounder how many knifing deaths, honor killings, and stonings occurred? I wonder how these have increased since the Sharia Law lunatics took over the asylum? Being bludgeoned to death tends to be a tad more painful than a nice clean shot to the head

Poker

Not to mention the women who had acid thrown in their face in sharia law areas because they did not want to marry the person in question or that was raped and then killed by family members for family honor. or the children in those same areas that was raped in the name of someones particular dream. Guys and gals i detest the wrongs that go on in the world as much or more than most. I do detest the fact a certain former world leader will escape prosecution by hiding in a area where he cant be seized by treaty provisions.

You forgot to list genital mutilation (female circumcision is too mild a term), and many other atrocities. I wasn't meaning to belittle the suffering across these feudal lands, just to point out a curious statistical anomaly. Regarding these atrocities it is telling that they occur in neighbouring countries that aren't Islamic such as Hindu North India. The religion argument is just a cop out excuse for the inexcusable. There was a witch burning in Papua New Guinea last week, and it appears the husband may have instigated it to get control of her assets (as happened with the Inquisition).

pokermind wrote:
I didn't care for George Bush's so called Patriot Act either. We must agree to differ on our interpretations of Obama I see him as the most despicable President in history, a corrupt, lying Bastard a pure socialist if not a communist. A man hell bent on destroying my country. IMHO you who get a tingle up your leg at his every word are deluded fools.

Well now that we have each flamed the other what makes you think he's a centrist? Name one of our liberties he has protected, come on name just one?

Poker

Do you realise how insane you make yourself look when you call a rightwinger like Obama a communist?

USAs most despicable president in history was GWB. Obama? He´s just too politically weak and too focused on trying to compromise with people who doesn´t want to compromise to actually do what he wants to do.

He´s not a good president. But he is still infinitely better than his predecessor.

As for corrupt? Obama is certainly not distinctly more corrupt than any recent presidents or presidential candidates, and he is probably a good bit LESS corrupt than several.
Very noticeably, he HAS stopped a lot of military pork chop projects that were doing nothing worthwhile but costing a crapload of money.

Lying? If anything he´s probably too honest for his position. And he´s nothing close to his predecessor when it comes to lying.

And exactly how has he done anything what so ever to destroy USA? Please, leave tinfoilhat delusions behind you man. It´s just sad to read.

Hopefully we can avoid emotive language that does incite flaming here. I do find the statement that Obama is "a pure socialist if not a communist" and that this will destroy your country somehow, somewhat puzzling.
Firstly people from generations ago would believe that we are all socialists as all developed countries have some form of welfare nets (admittedly the USA has less than any others), and even the Republican policies are more welfare oriented than those from yesteryear. As I mentioned earlier in this topic the countries with advanced welfare actually have stronger economies, coincidence or better utilization of resources? I'm happy to be called a socialist as it implies compassion and civilization, but would regard Obama as much less a socialist than most western leaders.
Current figures are that the USA has 45million working poor, and the highest incarceration rate in the world, not very efficient. A recent TV documentary on this had adult male breadwinners earning $7 to $8 an hour. Our minimum legal adult wage is $15.96 and due for review, yet our unemployment rate is about 5%.