Four more years!

Also Romney may have been beaten in the battleground states but his over all vote was very high last I read (yesterday) neck and neck with Obama

But given the state of the economy and given that G.o.P didn't pick up much in the congress. I think its back to the drawing board.

My personal bet is that they need to target the millions of socialy conservative African Americans and Latinos.

a large proportion of the Latinos could be flipped if they stop beating up on the imigrants.

For example if the repubilicans chose a respected capable Catholic Latino for the next candidate they might make states like Navada new Mexico competive.... and who knows they might even tighten things a little in California (I'm probably dreaming there)

The GOP main problem is that they did not offer a real alternative to Obama and the Dems. They should've embraced the Paul libertarian wing by being more tolerant of immigration,ending the wars and doing away with the drug war.

As it stands the Romney establishment GOP is almost identical to the Obama dems. Different sides ofthe same coin.

Well it's over and President Obama has been re-elected. Given the economic mess facing this country he has my sympathies and pryers as would Romney had he won. Hopefully now both sides can try to work together to get us out of this mess. I fear they won't, but I can hope both sides will put away party driven "got ya" politics, sigh.

Poker

Alistair wrote:Also Romney may have been beaten in the battleground states but his over all vote was very high last I read (yesterday) neck and neck with Obama

Obama got about 10 million less votes than in 2008. However, Romney got 3 million less than McCain did.

pokermind wrote:Well it's over and President Obama has been re-elected. Given the economic mess facing this country he has my sympathies and pryers as would Romney had he won. Hopefully now both sides can try to work together to get us out of this mess. I fear they won't, but I can hope both sides will put away party driven "got ya" politics, sigh.

Poker

Agreed. the whole worlds up the nile at the moment, and it doesnt look like we have many, if any paddles. And as reducing debt is a lot harder than growing it, we can probably expect the recovery to take many more years.



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Spacekiwi wrote:Agreed. the whole worlds up the nile at the moment, and it doesnt look like we have many, if any paddles. And as reducing debt is a lot harder than growing it, we can probably expect the recovery to take many more years.

Call me selfish but as a 20-something who had supported the President in '08 and had a lot of hope for change and the "yes we can" attitude... I was very disappointed. And with the national debt as high as it is and going higher every day I don't want to be paying that off with my social security checks 50 years from now (because guess what, I can't retire til I'm 67... or older, because I KNOW they will edge my year back more to save money). I also don't want my little brother having to pay off the debt nor do I want my children or grandchildren to do it. I'm volunteering to do it NOW before it gets too big to handle. Not keep kicking the can down the road. I don't particularly care who is in office, they need to deal with the debt. Start by balancing the govt's checkbook just like the vast majority of Americans strive to do every day. They do it by cutting costs. Not begging for raises (or in the case of the government mandating a raise for itself).

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Spacekiwi wrote:Agreed. the whole worlds up the nile at the moment, and it doesnt look like we have many, if any paddles. And as reducing debt is a lot harder than growing it, we can probably expect the recovery to take many more years.

Call me selfish but as a 20-something who had supported the President in '08 and had a lot of hope for change and the "yes we can" attitude... I was very disappointed. And with the national debt as high as it is and going higher every day I don't want to be paying that off with my social security checks 50 years from now (because guess what, I can't retire til I'm 67... or older, because I KNOW they will edge my year back more to save money). I also don't want my little brother having to pay off the debt nor do I want my children or grandchildren to do it. I'm volunteering to do it NOW before it gets too big to handle. Not keep kicking the can down the road. I don't particularly care who is in office, they need to deal with the debt. Start by balancing the govt's checkbook just like the vast majority of Americans strive to do every day. They do it by cutting costs. Not begging for raises (or in the case of the government mandating a raise for itself).

Not everyone feels that way though. look at all the riots in greece over the austerity measures that are needed to keep the country afloat, Romney as just one of many with a no more taxes pledge, people whaling on the germans for insisting on strings being attached to the loans, to ensure repayment, and too many more to list. i expect to not being able to retire until 67 to 70, and i doubt the world will be too much better off then then it is now.
Democracy is great, except for the part where those who promise more get elected more. Whoever said that democracy is not the best form of government, only the least worst of those discovered is surely correct.




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Hi Spacekiwi.

Doing the right thing is neither easy, nor popular, sigh. That's why we lionize those who do.

Poker

PS. Sorry I reverted to Professor mode, and brought out the red pencil I probably took English prior to your birth too <G>

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Not everyone feels that way though. look at all the riots in Greece over the austerity measures that are needed to keep the country afloat, Romney as just one of many with a no more taxes pledge, people whaling on the Germans for insisting on strings being attached to the loans, to ensure repayment, and too many more to list. I expect to not being able to retire until 67 to 70, and I doubt the world will be too much better off then then it is now.
Democracy is great, except for the part where those who promise more get elected more. Whomever said that democracy is not the best form of government, only the least worst of those discovered is surely correct.




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I outlined what to me is the most relevant part for the future of the United States as an independent sovereign nation:

Spacekiwi wrote:Not everyone feels that way though. look at all the riots in greece over the austerity measures that are needed to keep the country afloat, Romney as just one of many with a no more taxes pledge, people whaling on the germans for insisting on strings being attached to the loans, to ensure repayment, and too many more to list. i expect to not being able to retire until 67 to 70, and i doubt the world will be too much better off then then it is now.
Democracy is great, except for the part where those who promise more get elected more. Whoever said that democracy is not the best form of government, only the least worst of those discovered is surely correct.

You can call me a fear-monger all you want but the idea that another country could tell us what to do is scary. And guess what? If we reach a situation where we need another country to sign off on our loans then that is a sad state of affairs indeed. I'm not convinced the United States is the greatest country on earth. And I swear that the country is trying harder with each passing day to disabuse me of the notion we are the greatest country.

What I find amusing are the twitters and blogs from aggrieved Republicans saying that they will emigrate to Australia rather than stay in Obama's socialist US. One blonde girl says she's coming here because we have a christian male president who has the right policies. Sorry blondie, but our atheist female prime minister (who lives with her boyfriend) leads a country with universal health care, full welfare net, religions kept from any political power, no guns, and lots of other stuff that is way left of Obama.