What's the chance of a Streek Drive Super Dreadnought?

Hi all,

The above comments make me think we need some of those Grayson farm-boys on the project. They don't worry about pretty just what works.

Poker

Ok something has been nagging me since a long time ago and until I started reading one of my books about einstein I didn't know exactly what.

In little manticore could make the streak drive easily the same size as the normal hyper drive, why do I say this?, because right now manticore need to look for an engineering proposition that works with the theory of the streak drive.

The engineering proposition of Mesa was a generator twice in size as the normal one, but mesa doesnt have the engineering knowledge of the microfusion bottles, the extremely super effective capacitors that manticore use or the level of miniaturization that manticore has put in all its components.

What I mean to say is that if you give 2 different countries with different technology levels the same theory each one will find a different way of implementing that theory thats the engineering solution.

Grayson knew the theory about inertial compensators, but no one show them how to make one, so they made their own engineering solution about it and got an extremely effective inertial compensator that when manticore saw it and refined it with their own technologies became even better.

Now manticore has the theory on how the streak drive works to make space travel faster than before what engineering solution they will find and what consequences it will have?.

Mesa has a streak drive who is twice the size and only can speed the trip by a certain ammount of time, maybe manticore make the streak drive with better materials and because of that the streak drive is even more effective and they can go faster than the ones made in mesa, maybe because of the microcomponents that manticore use they can make the same engine that mesa did in half the size, they are hundreds of combinations that the ladies of doom can do just by having the theory and not the blueprints and because manticore technology is different than mesa it could be easily an entirely different hyper generator based on the same principle but with very different specifics.

We are focusing too much on mesa's engineering solution on how to implement the streak drive, what happen if with the new power plants than manticore have and the better material instead of going up 2 bands as the mesa's streak drive do they can go up 3 more bands because the materials have more energy and more resistance to the stress of jumping into higher bands? that would mean an even higher FTL speed. So for me I'm waiting to see whats the solution that the ladies of doom find (Lady Hemphill and Lady Foraker).

The real question what are ramifications of the streak drive. This innovation period is like the time of jet before breaking the sound barrier and the age after breaking the sound barrier. Very shortly after breaking the sound barrier, we were developing planes that were going at multiple times the speed of sound. We had the Blackbird. How many hyperbands are the GA and MesaAlign going to break. Who is going to create the blackbird of the day.

Sarge

smr wrote:The real question what are ramifications of the streak drive. This innovation period is like the time of jet before breaking the sound barrier and the age after breaking the sound barrier. Very shortly after breaking the sound barrier, we were developing planes that were going at multiple times the speed of sound. We had the Blackbird. How many hyperbands are the GA and MesaAlign going to break. Who is going to create the blackbird of the day.

Sarge

Well, since merchant hyper generators can translate 4 bands, military hyper generators can translate 8, the logical conclusion is that the streak generator can translate 12 bands, which would work out to a N space speed roughly 50% faster, or about 4,500 times light speed for military particle shields.

Of course, logic is an organized way to go wrong with confidence.

darrell wrote:

smr wrote:The real question what are ramifications of the streak drive. This innovation period is like the time of jet before breaking the sound barrier and the age after breaking the sound barrier. Very shortly after breaking the sound barrier, we were developing planes that were going at multiple times the speed of sound. We had the Blackbird. How many hyperbands are the GA and MesaAlign going to break. Who is going to create the blackbird of the day.

Sarge

Well, since merchant hyper generators can translate 4 bands, military hyper generators can translate 8, the logical conclusion is that the streak generator can translate 12 bands, which would work out to a N space speed roughly 50% faster, or about 4,500 times light speed for military particle shields.

Of course, logic is an organized way to go wrong with confidence.

If you look at the "Effective Speed by Hyper Band" table at the snippets site, you'll see that DW gives the figures for the Iota band, which is 20% faster than the theta band. My memory is that this used to have the figure for the next higher band as well, but my memory can well be faulty on this issue. At this point, I'm not sure whether the streak drive can do one or two more hyper bands.

It would be nice if they could get the new hyper generator in the same space as the old one, but please remember that Bolthole doesn't have Manticore's miniaturization technology, and might not have it in time to apply it to the new hyper generator technology.

JohnRoth wrote:It would be nice if they could get the new hyper generator in the same space as the old one, but please remember that Bolthole doesn't have Manticore's miniaturization technology, and might not have it in time to apply it to the new hyper generator technology.

I will agree with you that the first test system (does this work?) is going to be a large awkward kludge, likely mounted in a handy just finished small freighter. Further refinement will make the system smaller and easier to fit in something smaller than a cargo hold. Remember that the Greyson compensators were larger and less efficient than Manticore's when they first aided Greyson. It was the combination of Manticore and Greyson tech that resulted in the "super compensators" of the first war.

The first production model for the Streak Generator is likely to be test design 3-5 by my guess.

Bold is mine.

MoH Chapter 4 wrote:But the Mesan Alignment hadn’t abandoned it, and finally, after the better part of a hundred T-years of dogged research, they’d found the answer. It was, in many ways, a brute force approach, and it wouldn’t have been possible even now without relatively recent advances (whose potential no one else seemed to have noticed) in related fields. And even with those other advances, it had almost doubled the size of conventional hyper generators. But it worked. Indeed, they’d broken not simply the iota wall, but the kappa wall, as well. Which meant the voyage from New Tuscany to Mesa, which would have taken anyone else the next best thing to forty-five T-days, had taken Anisimovna less than thirty-one.

If real space speed is 3,000c. Then 45/31 is ~1.45 ties 3,000 equals ~4,354c times 0.6 equals ~7,258c.

All figures are approximate you notice though. But you can sort of plug them into the chart, maybe.<grin>

Have fun,
T2M

PS Before MoH I had it tabbed as 7,200 for the Kappa as a guess. So at lest one time I came close.

JohnRoth wrote:If you look at the "Effective Speed by Hyper Band" table at the snippets site, you'll see that DW gives the figures for the Iota band, which is 20% faster than the theta band. My memory is that this used to have the figure for the next higher band as well, but my memory can well be faulty on this issue. At this point, I'm not sure whether the streak drive can do one or two more hyper bands.

It would be nice if they could get the new hyper generator in the same space as the old one, but please remember that Bolthole doesn't have Manticore's miniaturization technology, and might not have it in time to apply it to the new hyper generator technology.

MoH Chapter 4 wrote:It was, in many ways, a brute force approach, and it wouldn’t have been possible even now without relatively recent advances (whose potential no one else seemed to have noticed) in related fields. And even with those other advances, it had almost doubled the size of conventional hyper generators.

I might be mistaken, but this sounds like:

To build a hyper generator that can reach the higher bands is comparatively easy: Just build a HG with way more than double (4x ? 8x ?) the "power" of a conventional one, tweak it some, and off you go. But using conventional technology, this HG would be 4x / 8x as big and heavy as a conventional one - try to cram that into a dispatch boat. So the real challenge - after finding out that this approach works at all - was to get the size and weight down to only double. And whom would you ask when it comes to minimizing stuff?

BTW: In all of DW's HH books, if something (ship, pinnace, missile, whatever) is in hyper it stays in hyper until you do something _active_ (involving the HG) to get it back to n-space, or so I understand it. In EF's ToF, when the HG broke the ship dropped back into n-space. Any explanations?

BTW: In all of DW's HH books, if something (ship, pinnace, missile, whatever) is in hyper it stays in hyper until you do something _active_ (involving the HG) to get it back to n-space, or so I understand it. In EF's ToF, when the HG broke the ship dropped back into n-space. Any explanations?

The hyper generator was failing, so the failsafes took the ship out of hyper before it failed completely and was rendered inoperable.

Chardt wrote:BTW: In all of DW's HH books, if something (ship, pinnace, missile, whatever) is in hyper it stays in hyper until you do something _active_ (involving the HG) to get it back to n-space, or so I understand it. In EF's ToF, when the HG broke the ship dropped back into n-space. Any explanations?

IIRC when the Hyper generator failed it lasted long enough for a fail safe system to return the ship to normal space. It sounded like it was real close and if the fail safe did not work then "Bad Things" would have happened.