What Became of the [Former] Silesian Confederacy worlds?

Silensia only had ~67 planets in it's population pre-annexation. We really don't know what Manticore got - or even how they were thinking about making the split (diagonal, north/south, population wise, economy wise.)

Chances are Manticore got ~30-40 planets and they are probably on the Eastern, poorer side of the confederacy (The side physically closest to Bascilisk and furthest from the Andermani.) Ironically, this is the side that most of the successionist movements (but by no means, all) have taken place, but will probably be most responsive to Manticore boosting their economies.

darrell wrote:

Duckk wrote:The Talbott Quadrant has been getting LAC wings ever since the annexation was approved. It'd take a pretty hefty Frontier Fleet force to break through even a single wing of LACs, and that's not counting any system defense pods or mobile units which might also be available.

Psyten wrote:Well, there is already a perfectly good plot point that doesn't require a falling out with the Andermani.

The Solarian League has decided that the best course of action is to raid the Grand Alliance's infrastructure and commerce. Talbott and the Silesia Territories (for want of a better name) are new acquisitions. Seeing as how Manticore has already proven it can handle it's home system, despite the Yawata Strike and, while the Talbott Cluster is closest to the League, it also has a large percentage of Next-Gen (from the Sollies perspective) warships, Silesia must seem pretty tempting. Manticore can't being to have the number of hulls needed to protect all of the Silesia Territories AND the Talbott Cluster, so a quick force should be able to pop in, blow up all the orbital infrastructure, and get out before a significant Manty force can counter them, especially if they operate their battlecruisers in squadron strength or more.

Any attack against Silesia is likely to be successfull only for the short term. (a year or so) I can see a small LAC base in each silesian planet with a couple squadrons (16) of LAC's to take care of pirates. (presumes that Haven will build LAC's for Mantiecore.) Incorporated into each planets orbital infrastructure would be a FTL control station for say three Mycroft platforms. Move 10% of Manticores apollo pods to silesia (250,000) and if Manticore took over 100 silesian worlds than that would be 2,500 each world, more than enough to take out a couple Manti SD's, (2.5 times an invectus pod load) a couple squadrons of Haven SD's (938 shipkillers each, 6 per pod) 50 League wallers. (300 shipkillers each) or 200 BC's. (75 shipkillers each)

Theemile wrote:Silensia only had ~67 planets in it's population pre-annexation. We really don't know what Manticore got - or even how they were thinking about making the split (diagonal, north/south, population wise, economy wise.)

Chances are Manticore got ~30-40 planets and they are probably on the Eastern, poorer side of the confederacy (The side physically closest to Bascilisk and furthest from the Andermani.) Ironically, this is the side that most of the successionist movements (but by no means, all) have taken place, but will probably be most responsive to Manticore boosting their economies.

There is a drawing/map of Silesia in the second expansion to SITS. But yeah, no detail about how they cut it apart. If it was done geographically the Andies would appear to get every system that had significant industry.

Emo Otaku wrote:I think that the biggest problem the SLN (FF or BF) would have with operations in Silesia is that they do not have the organisation to operate in force for extened times that far away from support, they are designed around an extensive network of support bases (even in the Verge) and despite Crandall's "exercise" I don't believe that they could operate effectively that far from home.

The idea behind sending the fleet out Commerce raiding is probably a sound one, but I doubt the SLN would be able to carry it out (it will possibly be humorous when an entire SLN BC squadron has to surrender to a single LAC because they run out of Fuel 2 days after they arrive at their target).

Are you sure it's that sound? Consider two points. First, the guy advising Admiral Kingsford is an Alignment mole (ART, Chapter 31), and second, the alignment has planned a firestorm of rebellions and secessions in the Verge - all the while FF is off commerce raiding.

kzt wrote:

Theemile wrote:Silensia only had ~67 planets in it's population pre-annexation. We really don't know what Manticore got - or even how they were thinking about making the split (diagonal, north/south, population wise, economy wise.)

Chances are Manticore got ~30-40 planets and they are probably on the Eastern, poorer side of the confederacy (The side physically closest to Bascilisk and furthest from the Andermani.) Ironically, this is the side that most of the successionist movements (but by no means, all) have taken place, but will probably be most responsive to Manticore boosting their economies.

There is a drawing/map of Silesia in the second expansion to SITS. But yeah, no detail about how they cut it apart. If it was done geographically the Andies would appear to get every system that had significant industry.

That seems the logical way to do it, Andies get the West, Manties get the East, but it means Manticore has territory on one side of Andy Silesia, and a major fleet base on the other side at Marsh, which seems like a strategic blunder by the Andies.

Theemile wrote:Silensia only had ~67 planets in it's population pre-annexation. We really don't know what Manticore got - or even how they were thinking about making the split (diagonal, north/south, population wise, economy wise.)

Chances are Manticore got ~30-40 planets and they are probably on the Eastern, poorer side of the confederacy (The side physically closest to Bascilisk and furthest from the Andermani.) Ironically, this is the side that most of the successionist movements (but by no means, all) have taken place, but will probably be most responsive to Manticore boosting their economies.

darrell wrote:

Psyten wrote:Well, there is already a perfectly good plot point that doesn't require a falling out with the Andermani.

The Solarian League has decided that the best course of action is to raid the Grand Alliance's infrastructure and commerce. Talbott and the Silesia Territories (for want of a better name) are new acquisitions. Seeing as how Manticore has already proven it can handle it's home system, despite the Yawata Strike and, while the Talbott Cluster is closest to the League, it also has a large percentage of Next-Gen (from the Sollies perspective) warships, Silesia must seem pretty tempting. Manticore can't being to have the number of hulls needed to protect all of the Silesia Territories AND the Talbott Cluster, so a quick force should be able to pop in, blow up all the orbital infrastructure, and get out before a significant Manty force can counter them, especially if they operate their battlecruisers in squadron strength or more.

Any attack against Silesia is likely to be successfull only for the short term. (a year or so) I can see a small LAC base in each silesian planet with a couple squadrons (16) of LAC's to take care of pirates. (presumes that Haven will build LAC's for Mantiecore.) Incorporated into each planets orbital infrastructure would be a FTL control station for say three Mycroft platforms. Move 10% of Manticores apollo pods to silesia (250,000) and if Manticore took over 100 silesian worlds than that would be 2,500 each world, more than enough to take out a couple Manti SD's, (2.5 times an invectus pod load) a couple squadrons of Haven SD's (938 shipkillers each, 6 per pod) 50 League wallers. (300 shipkillers each) or 200 BC's. (75 shipkillers each)

So let's say that the andies got 17 high population / industry / economy worlds and the Maties got 50 low population / industry / economy worlds. That means that each world would have 5,000 system defence pods, so each silesian world would be able to kill 100 SL wallers or 400+ BC's if only 10% of the Home system system defense pods were relocated to silesea along with microft.

If the worlds were split equally (33-34) then each silesean world would be able to take out 150 SL SD's and 600+ BC's. If the andies got the majority and Manticore got only 25, then each world would be able to take out 200 SL SD's, half of filertas fleet or almost a thousand BC's. (60 shipkillers per BC)

Note: I cut out Duckk's reply, out of order, as he was talking about talbot and not silesia.

I think at this point they consider the GA to be a bigger threat then the SL, and are happy to help the SL hurt the GA, after all its not like the SL likley to win, so why bother activley sabotoging them?

JohnRoth wrote:

Emo Otaku wrote:I think that the biggest problem the SLN (FF or BF) would have with operations in Silesia is that they do not have the organisation to operate in force for extene times that far away from support, they are designed around an extensive network of support bases (even in the Verge) and despite Crandall's "exercise" I don't believe that they could operate effectively that far from home.

The idea behind sending the fleet out Commerce raiding is probably a sound one, but I doubt the SLN would be able to carry it out (it will possibly be humorous when an entire SLN BC squadron has to surrender to a single LAC because they run out of Fuel 2 days after they arrive at their target).

Are you sure it's that sound? Consider two points. First, the guy advising Admiral Kingsford is an Alignment mole (ART, Chapter 31), and second, the alignment has planned a firestorm of rebellions and secessions in the Verge - all the while FF is off commerce raiding.

Ok I think you are wrong on how they cut it, in little the andermani are north west of silesia while manticore is south east with the gregor wormhole south west and the basilisk wormhole north east of the silesian confederacy, also Sidemore is located in the southwest of the silesian quadrant, I think the cut could be most probably from southwest to northeast so manticore has the entire lower diagonal that is closer to them and let them make the triangle between the 2 wormhole junctions and also it let them put sidemore as the first stop from gregor since is located southwest of the silesian confederacy; also a second option could be that the cut could be made from west/south-west to east/north-east (I think this is the way they call some of the directions when they divide the rose of winds in 16 parts, RFC should know about this more than me) but without an specific map I think the first one is the most probable. But in any case I think manticore will want a part of the south-west part of the confederacy since that is where they located sidemore station.

I dont think the division will be a straight east-west cut or a north-south cut, specially because of the wormholes that manticore controls and the space station they already built.

Charles83 wrote:Ok I think you are wrong on how they cut it, in little the andermani are north west of silesia while manticore is south east with the gregor wormhole south west and the basilisk wormhole north east of the silesian confederacy, also Sidemore is located in the southwest of the silesian quadrant,

The Anderman Empire is South-South-West of Silesia, Manticore south-east, and Marsh is South-West - right on the Andermani side of the territory.

Surely given that Sidmore was not part of the confederacy, its spacial position relative to the split is surely irrelavent. Also the two governments might decide to break up the confederacy in such way that the systems are intermingled to reduce the possibility of a SKM/Andies war later on?

This could actually be the first step in the joining of the House of Winton and the Andy Royal families

Garth 2 wrote:Surely given that Sidmore was not part of the confederacy, its spacial position relative to the split is surely irrelavent. Also the two governments might decide to break up the confederacy in such way that the systems are intermingled to reduce the possibility of a SKM/Andies war later on?

This could actually be the first step in the joining of the House of Winton and the Andy Royal families

It's irrelevant as long as Manticore and the Empire are at peace; if tensions ever rise again - which we have seen can happen very quickly - it gives Manticore a bottleneck in the middle of Andy territory. Rather like if the UK and Spain went to war, the position of Gibraltar would suddenly be much more interesting.