MASSIVE SPOILER about next book hardware

Dutch46 wrote:

kbus888 wrote:On a slightly different tack, I'll love to read about Clyntahn's reaction when Charis uses the Silkiahn canal for military maneuvers.

I wonder if he'll jump to the (I think corrct) conclusion that Silkiah is now solidly in the Charis camp ?

Duchairn will be royally ticked off since the los of tithes from Siddarmark and Silkiah will greatly affect the Church's finances.

R

I would like to point out that once a vessel has entered a canal that has locks, it becomes pretty much a sitting duck. It can go either forward or backwards, that's it. Once it enters a lock, it becomes a stationary object until the water level has been equalized between it and the direction in which it wishes to go. If that requires raising the level, it may well be a long process since pumping has to be done by hand. Should either the lock gates or the means of raising or lowering the level be damaged or made inoperative while the vessel is in the lock, it becomes fixed in place until the offending condition can be corrected. This is why I think that the river ironclads will only enter the locks if the entire route of the canal is securely held in the hands of the Charisian armed forces and spend as little time as possible in them.

My guess as to how they will be employed is that they will be used to interdict the shipments of supplies that are surely being sent between the southern lands and the Temple Lands through the Gulf of Dohlar. In addition, I expect them to render close in fire support as Charis works to dismantle the remaining ship building and staging areas of coastal northern Howard, West Haven, Dohlar and the other Temple Land buffer states. Given that there are only a few, Merlin will determine through the use of his reconnaissance platforms which areas will provide the best use of these limited resources.

Siddarmark is a very large area and both the CoGA and Charis will find their supply lines severely stretched by the campaign to save Siddarmark thus best use of available resources will become extremely important. I expect that Charis will have a very long leg up on the Temple Lands on that score. Clynthan, while he may be very intelligent, appears to have a severe case of tunnel vision when it comes to how to go about getting people to cooperate. Willing cooperation always yields better esults that coerced cooperation. He also appears clueless about finances and, as the earth has amply demonstrated many times, while lack of money may not bring a war to a halt, it will surely put a crimp into the ability to fight it causing shortages, inflation and a whole host of other problems.

Dutch46 wrote:

kbus888 wrote:On a slightly different tack, I'll love to read about Clyntahn's reaction when Charis uses the Silkiahn canal for military maneuvers.

I wonder if he'll jump to the (I think corrct) conclusion that Silkiah is now solidly in the Charis camp ?

Duchairn will be royally ticked off since the los of tithes from Siddarmark and Silkiah will greatly affect the Church's finances.

R

I would like to point out that once a vessel has entered a canal that has locks, it becomes pretty much a sitting duck. It can go either forward or backwards, that's it. Once it enters a lock, it becomes a stationary object until the water level has been equalized between it and the direction in which it wishes to go. If that requires raising the level, it may well be a long process since pumping has to be done by hand. Should either the lock gates or the means of raising or lowering the level be damaged or made inoperative while the vessel is in the lock, it becomes fixed in place until the offending condition can be corrected. This is why I think that the river ironclads will only enter the locks if the entire route of the canal is securely held in the hands of the Charisian armed forces and spend as little time as possible in them.

My guess as to how they will be employed is that they will be used to interdict the shipments of supplies that are surely being sent between the southern lands and the Temple Lands through the Gulf of Dohlar. In addition, I expect them to render close in fire support as Charis works to dismantle the remaining ship building and staging areas of coastal northern Howard, West Haven, Dohlar and the other Temple Land buffer states. Given that there are only a few, Merlin will determine through the use of his reconnaissance platforms which areas will provide the best use of these limited resources.

Siddarmark is a very large area and both the CoGA and Charis will find their supply lines severely stretched by the campaign to save Siddarmark thus best use of available resources will become extremely important. I expect that Charis will have a very long leg up on the Temple Lands on that score. Clynthan, while he may be very intelligent, appears to have a severe case of tunnel vision when it comes to how to go about getting people to cooperate. Willing cooperation always yields better esults that coerced cooperation. He also appears clueless about finances and, as the earth has amply demonstrated many times, while lack of money may not bring a war to a halt, it will surely put a crimp into the ability to fight it causing shortages, inflation and a whole host of other problems.

chickladoria wrote:I suppose information about the rating of sedimentation in the canals will be revealed eventually. I assume as well as using locks wisely (consider the locks in Ottawa on the river running towards Salsbury) the Safeholdians have a mechanism for removing sediments given the amount of upland territory in Haven.

Just picking nits.

OJsDad wrote:

runsforcelery wrote:I'm going to go away now. Don't ask me any more questions. I have other things I need to do and you have a book coming out in September which will answer quite a few of them . . . and undoubtedly provoke still more.

When I first read this, I thought of Gandalf.

phillies wrote:First, even under modern conditions you do not pump locks, you drain water in or out. Second, if one were to be pumping on Charis, one would surely use windmills, that being the only way to pump. Third, riverine ships are always under the constraint that they are largely confined to a line, though on a broad river the line is indeed broad.

Dutch46 wrote:

kbus888 wrote:On a slightly different tack, I'll love to read about Clyntahn's reaction when Charis uses the Silkiahn canal for military maneuvers.

I wonder if he'll jump to the (I think corrct) conclusion that Silkiah is now solidly in the Charis camp ?

Duchairn will be royally ticked off since the los of tithes from Siddarmark and Silkiah will greatly affect the Church's finances.

R

I would like to point out that once a vessel has entered a canal that has locks, it becomes pretty much a sitting duck. It can go either forward or backwards, that's it. Once it enters a lock, it becomes a stationary object until the water level has been equalized between it and the direction in which it wishes to go. If that requires raising the level, it may well be a long process since pumping has to be done by hand. Should either the lock gates or the means of raising or lowering the level be damaged or made inoperative while the vessel is in the lock, it becomes fixed in place until the offending condition can be corrected. This is why I think that the river ironclads will only enter the locks if the entire route of the canal is securely held in the hands of the Charisian armed forces and spend as little time as possible in them.

My guess as to how they will be employed is that they will be used to interdict the shipments of supplies that are surely being sent between the southern lands and the Temple Lands through the Gulf of Dohlar. In addition, I expect them to render close in fire support as Charis works to dismantle the remaining ship building and staging areas of coastal northern Howard, West Haven, Dohlar and the other Temple Land buffer states. Given that there are only a few, Merlin will determine through the use of his reconnaissance platforms which areas will provide the best use of these limited resources.

Siddarmark is a very large area and both the CoGA and Charis will find their supply lines severely stretched by the campaign to save Siddarmark thus best use of available resources will become extremely important. I expect that Charis will have a very long leg up on the Temple Lands on that score. Clynthan, while he may be very intelligent, appears to have a severe case of tunnel vision when it comes to how to go about getting people to cooperate. Willing cooperation always yields better esults that coerced cooperation. He also appears clueless about finances and, as the earth has amply demonstrated many times, while lack of money may not bring a war to a halt, it will surely put a crimp into the ability to fight it causing shortages, inflation and a whole host of other problems.

runsforcelery wrote:

phillies wrote:First, even under modern conditions you do not pump locks, you drain water in or out. Second, if one were to be pumping on Charis, one would surely use windmills, that being the only way to pump. Third, riverine ships are always under the constraint that they are largely confined to a line, though on a broad river the line is indeed broad.


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I would like to point out that once a vessel has entered a canal that has locks, it becomes pretty much a sitting duck. It can go either forward or backwards, that's it. Once it enters a lock, it becomes a stationary object until the water level has been equalized between it and the direction in which it wishes to go. If that requires raising the level, it may well be a long process since pumping has to be done by hand. Should either the lock gates or the means of raising or lowering the level be damaged or made inoperative while the vessel is in the lock, it becomes fixed in place until the offending condition can be corrected. This is why I think that the river ironclads will only enter the locks if the entire route of the canal is securely held in the hands of the Charisian armed forces and spend as little time as possible in them.

My guess as to how they will be employed is that they will be used to interdict the shipments of supplies that are surely being sent between the southern lands and the Temple Lands through the Gulf of Dohlar. In addition, I expect them to render close in fire support as Charis works to dismantle the remaining ship building and staging areas of coastal northern Howard, West Haven, Dohlar and the other Temple Land buffer states. Given that there are only a few, Merlin will determine through the use of his reconnaissance platforms which areas will provide the best use of these limited resources.

Siddarmark is a very large area and both the CoGA and Charis will find their supply lines severely stretched by the campaign to save Siddarmark thus best use of available resources will become extremely important. I expect that Charis will have a very long leg up on the Temple Lands on that score. Clynthan, while he may be very intelligent, appears to have a severe case of tunnel vision when it comes to how to go about getting people to cooperate. Willing cooperation always yields better esults that coerced cooperation. He also appears clueless about finances and, as the earth has amply demonstrated many times, while lack of money may not bring a war to a halt, it will surely put a crimp into the ability to fight it causing shortages, inflation and a whole host of other problems.

Actually, pumps are used in some instances. Just thought I'd mention it. [G]