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Re: The punishment of the group of four
Post by Jay6722   » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:04 pm

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Kbus888, Thats my own reaction as well. Just because the Wylsynn family has a history of reform now doesn't mean it was inspired by Schueler's own desire for reform.

kbus888 wrote:
RHWoodman wrote:.
We don't know much about Schueler, but the Wylsynn family has a relationship with Schueler going back to the Creation. The book has allowed us to see that Schueler gave certain gifts to the Wylsynn family, and that the Wylsynn's believe that they are descended from Schueler (though they do not say this outside of family, AFAIK). The Wylsynn family is good and decent, and they have been associated in Safehold's history with reformers in the CoGA.

As FriarBob correctly points out, there is no direct text evidence for our speculation about Schueler. There is text evidence about the Wylsynn family, though. There's also that somewhat cryptic comment in OAR made by Pei Kau-Yung to Nimue when he awakened her that he was going to kill Langhorne and company with his small nuke, and that the only other person who knew about Nimue and the plans of Pei Kau-Yung and Pei Shan-Wei was going with him to meet Langhorne for the final confrontation. Who was that other conspirator?

The lack of knowledge about Schueler himself and the positive knowledge we have of the Wylsynn family (which may be descended from Schueler) allow us to speculate that perhaps Schueler was a good guy or a not-so-bad-as-Langhorne guy. And we'll likely keep right on speculating until the MWW shatters our crystal ball with another revelation or plot development that ends this line of speculation and gives rise to a whole new line of speculation that is probably equally incorrect. <Smile>
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Family values can change a lot over eight centuries.

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Re: The punishment of the group of four
Post by RHWoodman   » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:48 pm

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Jay6722 wrote:Kbus888, Thats my own reaction as well. Just because the Wylsynn family has a history of reform now doesn't mean it was inspired by Schueler's own desire for reform.

<big snip>

kbus888 wrote:Family values can change a lot over eight centuries.

R


Both of you might be right, of course. Schueler may have been as mean and vile as Old Scratch. But, Merlin noted that the Book of Schueler was written after Pei's pocket nuke surprise. That is, the Book of Schueler was an addition to the original Writ. Speculating that Schueler was evil based on the current behavior of the order that bears his name is, IMO, as far afield as my speculation that Schueler may have been a reformist in the closet who did not intend for his order to develop the way it has.

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Re: The punishment of the group of four
Post by lyonheart   » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:33 am

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Howdy RHWoodman,

"Very interesting".

we won't know for a while longer yet.

At the moment I think its unlikely, but the concept that Schueler is one more abused victim of the CoGA hoax does seem to have the MWW twist in it, so kudos.

Looking forward to finding out as fast as I can,

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RHWoodman wrote:
Jay6722 wrote:Kbus888, Thats my own reaction as well. Just because the Wylsynn family has a history of reform now doesn't mean it was inspired by Schueler's own desire for reform.

<big snip>

kbus888 wrote:Family values can change a lot over eight centuries.

R


Both of you might be right, of course. Schueler may have been as mean and vile as Old Scratch. But, Merlin noted that the Book of Schueler was written after Pei's pocket nuke surprise. That is, the Book of Schueler was an addition to the original Writ. Speculating that Schueler was evil based on the current behavior of the order that bears his name is, IMO, as far afield as my speculation that Schueler may have been a reformist in the closet who did not intend for his order to develop the way it has.

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Re: The punishment of the group of four
Post by RHWoodman   » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:46 am

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lyonheart wrote:Howdy RHWoodman,

"Very interesting".

we won't know for a while longer yet.

At the moment I think its unlikely, but the concept that Schueler is one more abused victim of the CoGA hoax does seem to have the MWW twist in it, so kudos.

Looking forward to finding out as fast as I can,

L


RHWoodman wrote:
<snip>

Both of you might be right, of course. Schueler may have been as mean and vile as Old Scratch. But, Merlin noted that the Book of Schueler was written after Pei's pocket nuke surprise. That is, the Book of Schueler was an addition to the original Writ. Speculating that Schueler was evil based on the current behavior of the order that bears his name is, IMO, as far afield as my speculation that Schueler may have been a reformist in the closet who did not intend for his order to develop the way it has.

Just my $0.05. Comments? Criticisms? Witticisms?


Thanks, Lyonheart,

I'm looking forward to finding out as well. The twist that Schueler may have been good while his order turned evil and/or that Bedard was evil and her order does much good (there's textev for that latter point, I believe) would be delicious irony.

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Re: The punishment of the group of four
Post by lyonheart   » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:57 am

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Hi RHWoodman,

That twist is so much like the MWW!

Any other votes?

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RHWoodman wrote:
lyonheart wrote:Howdy RHWoodman,

"Very interesting".

we won't know for a while longer yet.

At the moment I think its unlikely, but the concept that Schueler is one more abused victim of the CoGA hoax does seem to have the MWW twist in it, so kudos.

Looking forward to finding out as fast as I can,

L


RHWoodman wrote:
<snip>

Both of you might be right, of course. Schueler may have been as mean and vile as Old Scratch. But, Merlin noted that the Book of Schueler was written after Pei's pocket nuke surprise. That is, the Book of Schueler was an addition to the original Writ. Speculating that Schueler was evil based on the current behavior of the order that bears his name is, IMO, as far afield as my speculation that Schueler may have been a reformist in the closet who did not intend for his order to develop the way it has.

Just my $0.05. Comments? Criticisms? Witticisms?


Thanks, Lyonheart,

I'm looking forward to finding out as well. The twist that Schueler may have been good while his order turned evil and/or that Bedard was evil and her order does much good (there's textev for that latter point, I believe) would be delicious irony.

Just my $0.05. Comments? Criticisms? Witticisms?
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Re: The punishment of the group of four
Post by Jay6722   » Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:34 am

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RhWoodman, I agree that would be ironic

RHWoodman wrote:
lyonheart wrote:Howdy RHWoodman,

"Very interesting".

we won't know for a while longer yet.

At the moment I think its unlikely, but the concept that Schueler is one more abused victim of the CoGA hoax does seem to have the MWW twist in it, so kudos.

Looking forward to finding out as fast as I can,

L


RHWoodman wrote:
<snip>

Both of you might be right, of course. Schueler may have been as mean and vile as Old Scratch. But, Merlin noted that the Book of Schueler was written after Pei's pocket nuke surprise. That is, the Book of Schueler was an addition to the original Writ. Speculating that Schueler was evil based on the current behavior of the order that bears his name is, IMO, as far afield as my speculation that Schueler may have been a reformist in the closet who did not intend for his order to develop the way it has.

Just my $0.05. Comments? Criticisms? Witticisms?


Thanks, Lyonheart,

I'm looking forward to finding out as well. The twist that Schueler may have been good while his order turned evil and/or that Bedard was evil and her order does much good (there's textev for that latter point, I believe) would be delicious irony.

Just my $0.05. Comments? Criticisms? Witticisms?
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Re: The punishment of the group of four
Post by lyonheart   » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:03 pm

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Hi Jay6722,

Thanks for the vote.

Any others willing to risk a vote?

Feel free to disagree.

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Jay6722 wrote:RhWoodman, I agree that would be ironic

RHWoodman wrote:L


RHWoodman wrote:
<snip>

Both of you might be right, of course. Schueler may have been as mean and vile as Old Scratch. But, Merlin noted that the Book of Schueler was written after Pei's pocket nuke surprise. That is, the Book of Schueler was an addition to the original Writ. Speculating that Schueler was evil based on the current behavior of the order that bears his name is, IMO, as far afield as my speculation that Schueler may have been a reformist in the closet who did not intend for his order to develop the way it has.

Just my $0.05. Comments? Criticisms? Witticisms?


Thanks, Lyonheart,

I'm looking forward to finding out as well. The twist that Schueler may have been good while his order turned evil and/or that Bedard was evil and her order does much good (there's textev for that latter point, I believe) would be delicious irony.

Just my $0.05. Comments? Criticisms? Witticisms?
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Re: The punishment of the group of four
Post by Jay6722   » Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:29 am

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Your welcome lyonheart. If Schueler was really a good person I bet he is rolling over in his grave at the thought of what's happening on Safehold right now. What does MWW stand for. I can tell it is a reference to David, but what is its exact meaning. I have at least one idea for what it means and if I'm right about its meaning I hope David doesn't get swelled head because of it.
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Re: The punishment of the group of four
Post by lyonheart   » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:01 am

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Hi Jay6722,

MWW refers to the Mad Wizard Weber, which can save time spelling the one and only David Weber.

Keep smiling,

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Jay6722 wrote:Your welcome lyonheart. If Schueler was really a good person I bet he is rolling over in his grave at the thought of what's happening on Safehold right now. What does MWW stand for. I can tell it is a reference to David, but what is its exact meaning. I have at least one idea for what it means and if I'm right about its meaning I hope David doesn't get swelled head because of it.
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Re: The punishment of the group of four
Post by Bruno Behrends   » Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:27 am

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Jay6722 wrote:I have thought what would make fitting punishment for the group of four. I decided if I was able to make it happen I would compel them to loyally serve Merlin knowing what Merlin's true mission was until they served him because they chose to instead of because they had to.
So people, what would be your dream punishment for the group of four?


Publicly try them under their own law.

I'm sure they've committed more than enough capital crimes even under their own precious writ.

As for any archangels who might possible resurface from cryo, try them for treason under Terran Federation law and shoot them
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