The punishment of the group of four

RHWoodman wrote:

kbus888 wrote:Making the <Go4> "pay dearly and at great length" for their actions is quite tempting, I agree.

However to give an analogy, if I have rats in the house, I would not torture them but rather I'd simply kill them and move on with my life !!

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If I have rats in my house, I'll let my cats torture them and turn a blind eye to it. On the other hand, the rabbit that's devastating my garden is going to get my PERSONAL attention, and at length! <evil cackling laugh>

Seriously, I'm in favor of executing Clyntahn even though I generally disapprove of capital punishment. Putting him to the Question and the Punishment is tempting, but I doubt it will happen that way.

I wouldn't mind it if Paityr Wylsynn activated his key in the Temple and we discovered that it awoke Schueler, who then took it upon himself personally to execute Clyntahn.

Thoughts?

Jay6722 wrote:Why would Schueler do that? If he was anything like Langhorne I would think he would approve of Clyntahn

RHWoodman wrote:I wouldn't mind it if Paityr Wylsynn activated his key in the Temple and we discovered that it awoke Schueler, who then took it upon himself personally to execute Clyntahn.

FriarBob wrote:.
There's been an outright rampant bit of speculation -- completely without ANY textev to support it (yet, at least) -- that Schueler was actually a good guy and set up his book to cause the corruption that would eventually destroy the church. I don't really buy it, but some people cling to this idea as religiously (oops) as some others do to the idea of frigates.

Jay6722 wrote:.
Why would Schueler do that? If he was anything like Langhorne I would think he would approve of Clyntahn

RHWoodman wrote:.
I wouldn't mind it if Paityr Wylsynn activated his key in the Temple and we discovered that it awoke Schueler, who then took it upon himself personally to execute Clyntahn.

kbus888 wrote:In my view, anyone who dreams up the tortures specified in Schueler's contribution to the Writ does not deserve a second chance at life.

R

DrakBibliophile wrote:David Weber posted the following in this conference.

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Merlin speaking specifically about Schueler and the Writ:

"I never knew the real Schueler," Merlin said. "Nimue may have met him, but if so, it was after she'd recorded . . . me." He smiled sadly. "Because of that, I've never seen any reason not to assume the Book of Schueler was written by the 'Archangel Schueler,' but we really don't have confirmation of the authorship of any of the books of the Writ, when you come down to it. For that matter, the Book of Schueler wasn't part of the original, early copy of the Writ Commodore Pei left in Nimue's cave. The entire thing was extensively reworked after Langhorne took out the Alexandrian Enclave — inevitably, I suppose — and the Book of Schueler and the Book of Chihiro were both added.”

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While your point is valid, it possible that Schueler didn't write those punishments.

kbus888 wrote:In my view, anyone who dreams up the tortures specified in Schueler's contribution to the Writ does not deserve a second chance at life.

R

DrakBibliophile wrote:David Weber posted the following in this conference.

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Merlin speaking specifically about Schueler and the Writ:

"I never knew the real Schueler," Merlin said. "Nimue may have met him, but if so, it was after she'd recorded . . . me." He smiled sadly. "Because of that, I've never seen any reason not to assume the Book of Schueler was written by the 'Archangel Schueler,' but we really don't have confirmation of the authorship of any of the books of the Writ, when you come down to it. For that matter, the Book of Schueler wasn't part of the original, early copy of the Writ Commodore Pei left in Nimue's cave. The entire thing was extensively reworked after Langhorne took out the Alexandrian Enclave — inevitably, I suppose — and the Book of Schueler and the Book of Chihiro were both added.”

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While your point is valid, it possible that Schueler didn't write those punishments.

kbus888 wrote:In my view, anyone who dreams up the tortures specified in Schueler's contribution to the Writ does not deserve a second chance at life.

R

kbus888 wrote:However, after examination of <OAR>, I find the following quote

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Schueler must have spent endless hours poring over the history texts to come up with such a detailed catalog of atrocities to be visited upon the “unbeliever” in “God’s most holy Name.”

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I think that can be interpreted to mean that Schueler must assume SOME responsibility for the book assigned to him.

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R

Jay6722 wrote:Where do people get the idea that Schueler was a good person. Although I do see a lot of irony in the idea.

FriarBob wrote:There's been an outright rampant bit of speculation -- completely without ANY textev to support it (yet, at least) -- that Schueler was actually a good guy and set up his book to cause the corruption that would eventually destroy the church. I don't really buy it, but some people cling to this idea as religiously (oops) as some others do to the idea of frigates.

Jay6722 wrote:Why would Schueler do that? If he was anything like Langhorne I would think he would approve of Clyntahn

RHWoodman wrote:.
We don't know much about Schueler, but the Wylsynn family has a relationship with Schueler going back to the Creation. The book has allowed us to see that Schueler gave certain gifts to the Wylsynn family, and that the Wylsynn's believe that they are descended from Schueler (though they do not say this outside of family, AFAIK). The Wylsynn family is good and decent, and they have been associated in Safehold's history with reformers in the CoGA.

As FriarBob correctly points out, there is no direct text evidence for our speculation about Schueler. There is text evidence about the Wylsynn family, though. There's also that somewhat cryptic comment in OAR made by Pei Kau-Yung to Nimue when he awakened her that he was going to kill Langhorne and company with his small nuke, and that the only other person who knew about Nimue and the plans of Pei Kau-Yung and Pei Shan-Wei was going with him to meet Langhorne for the final confrontation. Who was that other conspirator?

The lack of knowledge about Schueler himself and the positive knowledge we have of the Wylsynn family (which may be descended from Schueler) allow us to speculate that perhaps Schueler was a good guy or a not-so-bad-as-Langhorne guy. And we'll likely keep right on speculating until the MWW shatters our crystal ball with another revelation or plot development that ends this line of speculation and gives rise to a whole new line of speculation that is probably equally incorrect. <Smile>
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