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Re: pd 1924 - Shape of Beowulf's fleet
Post by Jonathan_S   » Sat May 17, 2025 9:25 pm

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tlb wrote:Thank you for the extract. I only have digital copies through Mission of Honor, so it is harder to verify if I remembered correctly in the later books. I appreciate people who quote supporting text when making broad statements.

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Re: pd 1924 - Shape of Beowulf's fleet
Post by Relax   » Sun May 18, 2025 3:05 pm

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:oops: Apparently my memory has gone Kaput :oops:
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Re: pd 1924 - Shape of Beowulf's fleet
Post by Relax   » Sun May 18, 2025 3:07 pm

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Still leaves my points #1-#7

Forts and cruisers. SD'P disappear
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Re: pd 1924 - Shape of Beowulf's fleet
Post by tlb   » Sun May 18, 2025 3:44 pm

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Relax wrote:Still leaves my points #1-#7

Forts and cruisers. SD'P disappear
Relax wrote:#4 Rennaisance Factor is rising with hundreds of SDP's and taking territory.

#5 GA while currently allied may not be in the future with hundreds of SDP's of their own.
As I understood the Detweiler Plan, the Renaissance Factor was to be a haven for systems fleeing the chaos due to the breakup of the Solarian League. They were not intended to forcibly annex anyone initially and the actual chaos is much less than what the Malign hoped. While they may have some SD's (not hundreds, so far as I know), they are still inferior in strength to the new Solarian League and the GA. So I consider your fourth point questionable.

I also question the fifth point, since Beowulf's shipyards are a necessary part of the new ships being created for the GA. They will remain so until Manticore's infrastructure is rebuilt (with Beowulf's help). Considering the multi-century ties between Manticore and Beowulf, I see no reason why that relationship should end. In fact with Beowulf out of the League, I expect the Grand Alliance will continue to include Beowulf.

PS: Isn't the main reason that you thought Beowulf would have to build forts, instead of SD's, when you state so many groups around them have hundreds, is that you believed that Beowulf's heavy industry had been destroyed? So you felt that the capacity to build forts would be easier to create?
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Re: pd 1924 - Shape of Beowulf's fleet
Post by Relax   » Mon May 19, 2025 1:03 am

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SD as a unit with its ~8M ton limit in the era of FTL controlled missiles is dead. Acceleration requirements are dead. New Grav plates allow 150G, so why bother with the 8Mton limit constraint. Now maybe we just call the "forts" the new SD class. 1 unit does both jobs saving $$$ and logistics.

SDP in current configuration is REALLY dead as soon as the GA nations figure out the MALIGN hyper generator as this is FAR more important than acceleration.

Current tech state of affairs reminds me more along the lines of early Cold War. Lots of surplus ships from previous war and new tech effectively already makes them obsolete.
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Re: pd 1924 - Shape of Beowulf's fleet
Post by Relax   » Mon May 19, 2025 1:05 am

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By its nature the RF will grow just as the GA will grow if they stick together. Not as quickly as proposed with a dissolved SL, but all the protectorates, shell etc who want out and now have the impetus to get out? They will try the independent route for a bit and then start looking around for "friends". Not all smiles are actually a welcome...
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