Is there an Intelligent Design to the Multiverse??

It appears from the story recently posted on baen.com that both worlds have more portals, including one that connects them directly - but they're entirely below sea level.

You're also overlooking the fact that we are very unlikely to have seen the other places with only one known portal [IIRC, the world the boy Voice and others retreat to is one, actually] for the simple reason that they _aren't_ on the route from Arcana to Sharona. Which, up to this point, makes them largely irrelevant to the story.

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Scientific theories proposing a multiverse are educated speculation; other universes could not be observed even if they existed, and there are logical reasons to accept or reject various multiverse theories. A confident conclusion seems impossible when we ask, “does a multiverse exist?” and “if it exists, what are its characteristics?”, so humility is justifiable. kinemaster mods

ikkami wrote:Scientific theories proposing a multiverse are educated speculation; other universes could not be observed even if they existed, and there are logical reasons to accept or reject various multiverse theories. A confident conclusion seems impossible when we ask, “does a multiverse exist?” and “if it exists, what are its characteristics?”, so humility is justifiable.

Given the subject is a book series with a verifiable multiverse, what exactly was the point of any of this post?

BlakeAntonio wrote:I find it odd that both Arcana and Sharona seem to only have a single portal each, whereas just about every other connected universe seems to have two or more.

How did the multiverse 'know' that these two inhabited 'verses only needed one portal, and that they were to be the 'starting point' for civilized exploration?

And how is it that the portals, with 13.8 BILLION years to pick from to come into existence, seemed to wait until the last few hundred years to trigger the start of what is clearly an ongoing process?

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The biology of animals followed arbitrary patterns or varied widely in ways that were not beneficial to their survival. Basically, Creation would be very different from how it is today.

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BlakeAntonio wrote:I find it odd that both Arcana and Sharona seem to only have a single portal each, whereas just about every other connected universe seems to have two or more.

How did the multiverse 'know' that these two inhabited 'verses only needed one portal, and that they were to be the 'starting point' for civilized exploration?

And how is it that the portals, with 13.8 BILLION years to pick from to come into existence, seemed to wait until the last few hundred years to trigger the start of what is clearly an ongoing process?

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Methinks that the authors have a tremendous backstory to reveal

evidence for intelligent design would be if there was no lineage between species, they sprang fully formed in the historical record all at the same time; if there were no explainable causal chain for the formation of the world or life; if animal biology followed arbitrary patterns or varied widely in ways that were not at all beneficial to their own survival. In short, Creation would look almost nothing like our present world.

Darwinism says the appearance of design is illusory; intelligent design says it's real. You have two competing hypotheses trying to explain the same piece of evidence.

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BlakeAntonio wrote:I find it odd that both Arcana and Sharona seem to only have a single portal each, whereas just about every other connected universe seems to have two or more.

How did the multiverse 'know' that these two inhabited 'verses only needed one portal, and that they were to be the 'starting point' for civilized exploration?
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And how is it that the portals, with 13.8 BILLION years to pick from to come into existence, seemed to wait until the last few hundred years to trigger the start of what is clearly an ongoing process?

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The biology of animals followed arbitrary patterns or varied widely in ways that were not beneficial to their survival. Basically, Creation would be very different from how it is today.

I do have same opinion as you. Cause the patterns of life and environment are very different from today.

Re the underwater portals, my (retired) engineering mind goes 'Nope, not happening'. While above-ground portals have some issues with air flow, airs' compressible nature offers some not-unreasonable 'dodges'. That nasty water does not - high density, essentially incompressible, highly erosive at velocity. While even a fairly high elevation difference with air doesn't generate that great a differential pressure (1000' asl, dP ~ 0.5 psi), water generates a much higher dP with elevation (100' depth ~43.3 psi). Higher dP => higher flow => higher velocity. While a partially above-ground portal would likely cause very little erosion, an undersea portal would try very hard to become round and wide-open (see water vrs mountain - water wins 10 of 10). A high change in elevation across the portal would also impact sea levels on both worlds to a noticeable extent.

Possible cure with minimal use of handwavium (aka Author's Secret Magic) - limit dP across the portal to say 3 PSI. This is a very mild limit in the atmosphere (say sea level to 6000', or 3000' to 10000') but a severe limit under water (~7' difference in depth). The portal simply couldn't open if the dP were too high.

I still do not think submerged portals are a Good Thing, but it's not my universe . . .

Louis R wrote:It appears from the story recently posted on baen.com that both worlds have more portals, including one that connects them directly - but they're entirely below sea level.

You're also overlooking the fact that we are very unlikely to have seen the other places with only one known portal [IIRC, the world the boy Voice and others retreat to is one, actually] for the simple reason that they _aren't_ on the route from Arcana to Sharona. Which, up to this point, makes them largely irrelevant to the story.

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The recent baen.com story unveils additional portals connecting worlds beneath sea level. Other unexplored places, like the boy Voice's retreat, may be less relevant due to their absence on Arcana-Sharona route.

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BlakeAntonio wrote:I find it odd that both Arcana and Sharona seem to only have a single portal each, whereas just about every other connected universe seems to have two or more.

How did the multiverse 'know' that these two inhabited 'verses only needed one portal, and that they were to be the 'starting point' for civilized exploration?

And how is it that the portals, with 13.8 BILLION years to pick from to come into existence, seemed to wait until the last few hundred years to trigger the start of what is clearly an ongoing process?

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