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by Puidwen » Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:11 am | |
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Zilwicki is talking to Arianne McBryde. He mentions that even with someone like him, with a good set of imagery, a fake examined by experts will show hundreds of flaws. But there's been all sort of fake imagery floating around the honorverse that was never revealed. for instance even if they didn't suspect it to be faked i suspect the video of honor's hanging was gone over by their intelligence services. Granted he might be exaggerating because he's is trying to convince her yes this video is real since she knows his reputation.
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by ThinksMarkedly » Thu Mar 28, 2024 6:31 pm | |
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But Honor's greatly-exaggerated-demise video wasn't a deep fake. It was a staged hanging of an actress, with cosmetic alterations to pass as Honor's body-double, in poor lighting, and then some video manipulation to make it look like her. The Alliance also had no reason to doubt Haven's veracity here: they knew she and her ship had been captured and were aware of the PRH's judgement in absentia against her. The PRH was also careful not to go over the top and portray Honor doing anything atypical of her, which would raise suspicions. The best cover for a lie is to bury it in a pile of truth. |
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by Puidwen » Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:11 pm | |
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Okay, the actor thing makes sense, it's been awhile since i've reread the book. |
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by penny » Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:22 pm | |
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Perhaps ALL deep fakes leave clues if the original video can be examined. But, our own world is currently scrambling against AI fakes. We cannot tell the difference. HV AI should be light years beyond our current AI. So...
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by Daryl » Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:29 am | |
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RFC has constructed a coherent universe, with consistent rules.
Somewhat more compliant physics, but others are more restrictive on computer science. I would submit that in Safehold he has allowed AIs, but in the Honorverse their computer technology has scarcely progressed past ours.
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by tlb » Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:21 am | |
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Yes and no, I believe the only explicit prohibition is against a robot ship that can navigate hyper-space. In Echoes of Honor we have this: Note that later we have this exchange:
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by penny » Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:08 am | |
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You might get me to agree that HV software isn't too far ahead of us, but their computer hardware certainly is. There is no way I can see our computers performing at the speeds of HV computers. Our present computers cannot track as many targets as in the HV and target them.
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by tlb » Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:44 am | |
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Can our software do what Echoes of Honor says that theirs can do? I expect that their hardware and software are far advanced beyond ours; tracking and targeting are functions of both. |
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by penny » Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:22 pm | |
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Oh, I agree, at the end of the day. What I was trying to relate is that I would be more apt to believe, that if anything, our software is within range of theirs.* No, I do not actually believe that it is. But I could be sold on that a lot easier. My point is that software always trails behind the hardware. Hardware keeps getting better and better, and software never catches up. Look at what is about to happen now. A new kind of computer chip is about to be introduced. The AI chip. How long will it be before software will be written to take full advantage across the board of such a premium costing chip? $30,000 - $40,000. * Late edit: That should have read, "our software capability." Which should have been obvious. FYI. In the beginning of the era of computers, it was the hardware that lagged behind. .
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by kzt » Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:24 pm | |
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We are beginning to approach very real limits to the scale of processor miniaturization/density. I’m sure there are approaches that will extend the run, but it seems likely that we are approaching the upper flat part of the technology curve without some sort of revolutionary approach that nobody has yet found.
To a certain extent the technology in the books does what it does due to needs of the plot. Realistically I suspect that the ability to produce forgeries is going to only get better. They are going to be made faster and better and the things that allow people to spot them will be removed. If you have enough video and audio of someone you are going to be able to produce a highly convincing version of them doing and saying whatever you need. You’ll be able to run your fake past a bunch of expert systems designed to spot fakes and tweak it to not get flagged. It will be interesting. |
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