The transtellars in the verge and protectorates

ThinksMarkedly wrote:

Captain Golding wrote:Given the Success of Pods why not do away with the Larger tubes and provide an "external" POD Rack Space to carry Pods of Mk16's to supliment the Bow and stern tubes. Servicing the PODS may be a vacume operation restricted to N Space which would be less effective than the pod bays but I am sure that the needs to service pods has been reduced over the first generation.

External-only pods will probably be a bad idea. Limpeted pods are known to obscure sensors (and the other tubes), so they have to be employed on the first shot. They're good to make a big Alpha Launch at an enemy, but that's not a good solution for a ship if it's also the only shot it can fire. And mind you, even if it could decide to not fire all of them, it has to finish firing them all before the enemy missiles arrive, due to proximity kills.

I Do think a Stretched Roland with room for 30~40 Marines would be a good idea. Also the Rolands carry room for a Flag Staff and Deck - if that was stripped out and repurposed (Even if in new builds) how big a Marine contingent could be shipped ?

That seems to be the direction the RMN is going to: the minimum viable combatant is something bigger than a Roland, which probably means the destroyer type itself is not long-term viable. So we should be talking about light cruisers here.

Brigade XO wrote:I doubt that Kingsford & company is going to let any FF officers with their ships decide to leave the SLN and become part of a local SDF for a system- either former SL system or former Protectorate of OFS. They are going to want to maintain control of what they have left of SLN ships. If nothing else they can be stripped of usable gear/parts and reprocessed for new construction. Any ship that refuses to "come in" on the recall orders (or wherever they are told to go under new orders) has effectively mutinied against the SLN and will need to be hunted down before it has a chance to cause more problems. Going AWOL with a warship doesn't would be a good indicator that the people involved were going to be up to no good.

It is possible that some of the older ships could be sold or traded to systems as part of negotiations to stay linked to the shrunken SL under various treaties and that SLN officers and crews that would otherwise be out of a job with the new situation but that is also something that would need to be vetted through the SLN since you would want both competent and trustworthy officers (to the new SL) to be involved.

One part of the equation would have to include what the ability and capacity of any system that gained a legitimate possession of a former SLN ship to keep it in repair and pay for replacements parts etc.

Brigade XO wrote:I doubt that Kingsford & company is going to let any FF officers with their ships decide to leave the SLN and become part of a local SDF for a system- either former SL system or former Protectorate of OFS. They are going to want to maintain control of what they have left of SLN ships. If nothing else they can be stripped of usable gear/parts and reprocessed for new construction. Any ship that refuses to "come in" on the recall orders (or wherever they are told to go under new orders) has effectively mutinied against the SLN and will need to be hunted down before it has a chance to cause more problems. Going AWOL with a warship doesn't would be a good indicator that the people involved were going to be up to no good.

It is possible that some of the older ships could be sold or traded to systems as part of negotiations to stay linked to the shrunken SL under various treaties and that SLN officers and crews that would otherwise be out of a job with the new situation but that is also something that would need to be vetted through the SLN since you would want both competent and trustworthy officers (to the new SL) to be involved.

One part of the equation would have to include what the ability and capacity of any system that gained a legitimate possession of a former SLN ship to keep it in repair and pay for replacements parts etc.

Brigade XO wrote:I doubt that Kingsford & company is going to let any FF officers with their ships decide to leave the SLN and become part of a local SDF for a system- either former SL system or former Protectorate of OFS. They are going to want to maintain control of what they have left of SLN ships. If nothing else they can be stripped of usable gear/parts and reprocessed for new construction. Any ship that refuses to "come in" on the recall orders (or wherever they are told to go under new orders) has effectively mutinied against the SLN and will need to be hunted down before it has a chance to cause more problems. Going AWOL with a warship doesn't would be a good indicator that the people involved were going to be up to no good.

It is possible that some of the older ships could be sold or traded to systems as part of negotiations to stay linked to the shrunken SL under various treaties and that SLN officers and crews that would otherwise be out of a job with the new situation but that is also something that would need to be vetted through the SLN since you would want both competent and trustworthy officers (to the new SL) to be involved.

One part of the equation would have to include what the ability and capacity of any system that gained a legitimate possession of a former SLN ship to keep it in repair and pay for replacements parts etc.

markusschaber wrote:IMHO, regarding the transtellars, several things will happen in parallel:

1) The GA will patrol some areas (there's textev, IIRC), supporting local governments.

2) Other forces like the Anderman Empire, the newly independent Maya sector or the Renaissance Factor next to the SL will expand their influence and cover some areas. Also think of smaller, but self sustaining nations similar to the Republic of Monica - they can also build alliances with their neighbours (former protectorates) - military protection as the price for political influence and better trade conditions.

3) Some worlds will leave the SL and form local alliances with their neighbours, which may include former protectorates (similar to Beowulf and their neighbours, but closer to the edge). Most of the ex SL worlds have system defence forces, which can temporarily also cover their new allied neighbours, till they build their own SDF.

5) The transtellars with headquarters within the SL have to obey the new rules, and probably also those which have considerable business with the SL (or they risk embargoes). This ought to be the majority of all transtellars - I can't imagine a transtellar using OFS to enslave protectorates without having headquarters or considerable business with "regular" SL worlds.

6) Transtellars will try to keep their trading and business, hiring mercenaries to protect their trade with the former protectorates against pirates.

Yes, this will not cover 100%, and there will be lots of fallout till everything works out - but AFAICS, the perspective for the future looks better than being OFS protectorate...

Theemile wrote:I think it is important to state here that we have not seen any evidence of SLN ships breaking away due to ties to OFS or transstellars, other than in the Mesa Sector. All the SLN Frontier Fleet vessels and crews have behaved as parts of the central navy, even if their regional higher command authority was working hand in hand with OFS and the transstellars. Personally, I don't see vary many FF ships disobeying orders and following the Transstellars or going private. If the leadership tried, most crews would mutinity.