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Post by phillies   » Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:00 pm

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Ballard The Influence of the Sea on the Political History of Japan, in the midst of a detailed discussion the battle of Tsushima and all the strategic and tactical considerations leading up to it, claims that as a result of a design error the new Russian battleships had a considerably deeper draught than planned, as a result of which their armor belts were completely submerged and their waterline hull could be penetrated by lighter guns.
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Post by zuluwiz   » Sat Mar 18, 2023 5:06 am

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So what?
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Post by Daryl   » Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:03 am

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zuluwiz wrote:So what?

Possibly because RFC is a naval historian of note? His various series reflect that interest and expertise.
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Post by Michael Everett   » Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:55 am

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It's set a bit earlier in historical terms, but this video gives an interesting look at how an early battleship worked.
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Post by phillies   » Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:44 am

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zuluwiz wrote:So what?


The illustrious author is very fond of discussing battleships. The above seemed to be a unique historical note.
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Re: Battleships
Post by Dilandu   » Thu May 18, 2023 3:31 pm

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phillies wrote:Ballard The Influence of the Sea on the Political History of Japan, in the midst of a detailed discussion the battle of Tsushima and all the strategic and tactical considerations leading up to it, claims that as a result of a design error the new Russian battleships had a considerably deeper draught than planned, as a result of which their armor belts were completely submerged and their waterline hull could be penetrated by lighter guns.


To put it simply: yes and no. Yes, they were overweight and overloaded. No, their belts weren't completely submerged (especially on a new ships, which have upper belts).

This is the photo of "Oryol" after Tsusima. As you could see, her belt is nowhere near completely submerged:

http://tsushima.su/uploads/photoarhiv/ships/russia/epoch_bron/ebr/orel/photo/02.jpg

The problem was not the submerged belts. The problem was the insufficient stability due to overload. Japanese used mainly HE shells, filled with shimose explosive and fitted with instant-reaction fuze that couldn't penetrate any belt anyway. But numerous hits from relatively short distance caused extensive damage in unarmored parts, massive fire, and as a result - Russian battleships took a lot of water. Which caused them to capsize.

P.S. Japanese weren't exactly satisfied with the results of Tsusima either. They were able to achieve such impressive results only because of their near-total superiority over Russian fleet. In all previous battles against more comparable 1st Pacific Squadron (which have better trained crews, and was not burdened by the long voyage from bases), they weren't able to achieve any significant results.
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Post by Dilandu   » Thu May 18, 2023 3:33 pm

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phillies wrote:
zuluwiz wrote:So what?


The illustrious author is very fond of discussing battleships. The above seemed to be a unique historical note.


Believe me, it's not. There is a whole forum in Russia specifically set to discuss Russo-Japanese war and Tsusima. This battle is highly popular among Russian naval enthusiasts and alternate histor fans due to the book "Tsusima" by Novikov-Priboy - which was very popular in USSR.
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Oh well, if shortening the front is what the Germans crave,
Let's shorten it to very end - the length of Fuhrer's grave.

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