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Re: 1924 PD - Rebuilding the Solarian League Navy | |
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by Somtaaw » Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:59 am | |
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Nobody runs with a 0% safety margin permanently, for extreme battle needs yes certainly, but it's definitely not a daily thing. Just because there hasn't been a known compensator failure in almost two decades in the Haven Sector doesn't mean Manticore has completely eliminated the chance of it happening at all.
And everybody in the Haven Sector had come to realize 20% was much too conserative, so even Haven was regularly running a 90% of max simply to try to keep up. They'd go to 0% margins for specific battles, because Republican ships at 0% margin were as fast as Manticorans at 90% of max, and hope that Manticore would choose not to run any more risk than they had to and throw their safety margins out too. |
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Re: 1924 PD - Rebuilding the Solarian League Navy | |
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by Somtaaw » Tue Aug 30, 2022 5:09 am | |
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They didn't need to accelerate at 500g to get that high a speed, and also remember they had to specifically DROP their wedges and were coasting in ballistic. So there's an upper limit on how high you could accelerate because once the wedge came down, your particle screens drop in power considerably. So what I think they did, was run up their speed at a 'safe' acceleration, they're only LACs after all and could stay undetected from quite a long way away, and then shut their wedges down before any possible RDs could have been close enough to pick them up. This is in addition to Hexapuma busy pretending to be a freighter, which would draw any notional RDs their way instead of a proper system scouting, which further increased the LAC stealth. But after they opened fire, all bets were off and everybody, Nuncian and Manticoran alike, all decelerated at maximum presumably military power with 0% margin to get back to the captured freighter ASAP, before the pirates could effect any jury-rigged repairs and escape into hyper. |
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Re: 1924 PD - Rebuilding the Solarian League Navy | |
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by Somtaaw » Tue Aug 30, 2022 5:28 am | |
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Found the acceleration bit... they broke orbit from Nuncio and then sat in space with 0 relative velocity, letting the planet move away from them for 5 hours.
They waited 5 hours to get away from RD's, accelerated by using the Nuncian LACs 500g acceleration on course to intercept the freighter, and then dropped the wedges entirely. And technically the Nuncian LACs were only going along as a backup plan, as per later
They couldn't be sure the pinnaces alone could handle the freighter, whether due to hot nodes or the wrong design, so the LACs were part of it for a contingency scenario, and their slower acceleration curve made the case for how quick they could accelerate to sneak in ballistic, and whether or not you have to use their larger but less accurate guns, or hold out for the pinnaces to pull a (somewhat) precision strike. |
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Re: 1924 PD - Rebuilding the Solarian League Navy | |
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by Brigade XO » Tue Aug 30, 2022 7:05 pm | |
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The SLN would be well served by working on incremental improvements at attempted accelerated rate and perhaps only building prototype ships for proof of concept?
Any LAC is going to be limited by the compensator no matter how much power you can use on the impeller drives. It depends on mass and compensator. You also have to pay attention to how much you need for other equipment. Best example is a Dispatch Boat. The minimal acceptable space for crew and the mandatory environmental equipment plus communications, sensors, controls and the combination of impellers and hyperdrive (and W-sails) plus storage space for not a lot more than consumables for crew and any (few) passengers. No weapons, possibly some defensive weapons like PPC but not even box launchers for missiles. SL (or Alignment) might acquire "usable" LAC debris from somewhere but then it's reengineering time. 1st that they are using that Grayson developed fission pile as the power source and 2nd the Grayson/Manticore military compensator. As far as SLN not thinking they needed to bother with what neobarb "navy's" were doing, remember that The Alignment had deeply infiltrated anything to do with SLN Naval Intelligence and there was massive internal pressure to NOT look at anything or find anything usefull that might have made it through the Alignment screens on intelligence. Naval Analysis was among the places plugged up with graft/self interest of people and military industrial contractors so there was a lot of sticky resistance and crafting of reports and memos to represent superior's wishes, desires, point of view and not breaking anybody's rice bowl. The 1st (and best) filter was in prefered attitude of "it wasn't developed here" and 2nd was "nothing the neobarbs could be doing would make any difference. Fighting your boss's preferred results makes for difficult career advancement. At this point, any observations- even perhaps scanner data from Monica if it could be wheedled out of them after signing those agreements with Manticore, could be helpful in providing data. |
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Re: 1924 PD - Rebuilding the Solarian League Navy | |
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by cthia » Sun Sep 04, 2022 5:27 pm | |
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Closing the compensator gap should be a reasonable goal, I'd think. Compared to rest of the other tech gap. And since their energy weapon technology is equal to or better than the GA's (textev) building LACs in horrendous numbers with very powerful energy weapons might be a good option. Quantity is its own quality. Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense |
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by Joat42 » Sun Sep 04, 2022 7:31 pm | |
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New LAC's are mostly useless unless they can be attached to a modern fleet. The only thing that makes sense in regards to new LAC's are that they can be used as in-system defense/anti piracy which could free up older ships and manpower and any money saved there could be funneled into R&D. --- Jack of all trades and destructive tinkerer. Anyone who have simple solutions for complex problems is a fool. |
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by kzt » Sun Sep 04, 2022 7:34 pm | |
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Powerful energy weapons just means they have to enter the engagement range of vastly more deadly energy weapons. Depending on your adversities to be incompetent is not a great plan. Note how shrikes were deprecated in favor of missile armed LACs. |
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by cthia » Sun Sep 04, 2022 11:05 pm | |
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But those Shrikes were not capable of being produced in horrendous numbers, in the tens of thousands. Remember, the SLN is a G I A N T that is no longer sleeping. Think twenty to thirty thousand Shrikes. Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense |
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by Joat42 » Mon Sep 05, 2022 6:17 am | |
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Who are going to build them? Who are going to build the carriers for them? Who are going to fund such a building program? What are they going to be used for? What you call a giant is actually comprised of a number of members who doesn't necessarily want to dedicate building capacity to pumping out LAC's for no apparent reason. --- Jack of all trades and destructive tinkerer. Anyone who have simple solutions for complex problems is a fool. |
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by tlb » Mon Sep 05, 2022 8:28 am | |
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Without guessing what the funding situation will look like after the new constitution, I assume most members will want to support system defense and the best way to do that is to build a League standard LAC that will be manned by Solarian Navy reserves at each planet. Not only does each planet get support, but also every planet with the capacity will receive building contracts. |
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