Honor awakened a sleeping GIANT

munroburton wrote:Send them back to their respective worlds, where they're going to start lobbying their system governments into setting up their own navies. They almost certainly discharged Sol-system citizens from the service last.

I suspect it was more about doing something in the short term with the money all those personnel no longer needed to be paid and to hell with the long term consequences.

Theemile wrote:
... not to mention the unreturned fleet of "Raging Justice 2" (the 2nd Blunder). Not saying that plans didn't change, but there are plenty other SDs swimming around to be kept or recycled.

kzt wrote:

munroburton wrote:Send them back to their respective worlds, where they're going to start lobbying their system governments into setting up their own navies. They almost certainly discharged Sol-system citizens from the service last.

I suspect it was more about doing something in the short term with the money all those personnel no longer needed to be paid and to hell with the long term consequences.

So repeating the cunning scheme that Bush/Bremer/Powell/Rumsfeld put together in May 2003 to stabilize Iraq.

munroburton wrote:

Either way, the big difference lies in that Iraq's military theoretically contained around a million of the country's then ~25 million strong population. That's about 4%.

kzt wrote:You shutdown all the SDs. You have no huge stockpiles of BCs or lighter ships. So what do you do with these millions of military personnel that are now unemployed?

Fox2! wrote:

Theemile wrote:
... not to mention the unreturned fleet of "Raging Justice 2" (the 2nd Blunder). Not saying that plans didn't change, but there are plenty other SDs swimming around to be kept or recycled.

What is the command and control loop on Raging Justice 2? Does the commander have orders to assemble his assigned forces, engage in some amount of training, and report readiness for an attack order, or is he to execute orders already in hand, either on condition of readiness, or on a date certain? Does Hamish have to expect another Solly fleet to appear over the Alpha Wall and attack the MBS? Or have orders been sent instructing him (or her) to stand down, and return his forces to their previous assignments?

cthia wrote:The brunt of the population will continue to resent Manticore until that resentment can be directed at the proper place. And that will never happen until this hidden entity of whom Manticore claim exist is uncovered. And, of course, when that truth is properly shared with the Galaxy.*

*Who is to say - if the Ghosthunters ever find this, at best, dubious evidence of the MAlign - that the truth and nothing but the truth will be shared with the people? Who is to say that the MA does not have more spies within the League who can still shape the narrative. Spies and influencers who are naturally conditioned and won't suddenly drop dead when questions are asked. Like our resident Audrey O'hanrahan. Spies who will make sure that the evidence which is discovered will never come to light. Spies who will make sure that the Ghosthunters simultaneously witness their own death. The death of the Ghosthunters could join the enigma that is the MAlign. Resentment against Manticore will continue in face of the Ghosthunters death.

cthia wrote:I wonder about how many of the statistics were actually on the up and up. Having so many mothballed ships on the book necessitated the need to have the personnel to maintain them. But the SLN's ships were all in a state of ill-repair. It is obvious that that budget and manpower were all a paper tiger. How many other paper tigers are there. A serious inventory need to be done before someone can get a handle on things.

Theemile wrote: They were supposed to assemble 650-750 SDs in the same system as Raging Justice 1 did, which was about 4-6 weeks from Manticore, and wait for the go/nogo message. It was a 5-6 month trip to the system, and any formation had to "get their sh!t together" before they left and they hadn't done that in 250 years. So it would probably take a minimum of 13 months to get all of Raging Justice 2 back, however, they had movement orders prior to Raging Justice's go order. So they should all be back by August 1923 or so, if the nogo was sent right away.