SPOILERS TEiF Plot Twists

tlb wrote:I have found a discrepancy in the book, which has no effect on the story; but is an interesting oversight.

Early in the book, Queen Berry comes aboard Michelle Henke's flag ship and they talk. Michelle asks Berry if she had ever met cousin Elizabeth. Berry says the Queen, no Empress now? She then says they met long before Berry became Queen of Torch (referring to Crown of Slaves). Then Mike laughs about how the propriety-obsessed protocolists will react when first there is a state visit to Manticore.

But all this has already happened. Chapter 33 of A Rising Thunder makes it clear that Queen Berry attended the wedding of Rivka to Crown Prince Roger. It is a certainty that the Queen and the Empress would have met at that time.

tlb wrote:I have found a discrepancy in the book, which has no effect on the story; but is an interesting oversight.

Early in the book, Queen Berry comes aboard Michelle Henke's flag ship and they talk. Michelle asks Berry if she had ever met cousin Elizabeth. Berry says the Queen, no Empress now? She then says they met long before Berry became Queen of Torch (referring to Crown of Slaves). Then Mike laughs about how the propriety-obsessed protocolists will react when first there is a state visit to Manticore.

But all this has already happened. Chapter 33 of A Rising Thunder makes it clear that Queen Berry attended the wedding of Rivka to Crown Prince Roger. It is a certainty that the Queen and the Empress would have met at that time.

ThinksMarkedly wrote:I noticed the same. I also noted that Rivka became Riva at some point too.

But Michelle didn't attend that wedding. She was in the Talbott Quadrant at the time, so maybe Berry played along to avoid correcting the admiral. That's how I "explained" it.

In any case, it's quite likely that Berry had met the Queen/Empress before Berry and Ruth left Manticore for the wake of Hieronymus Cutter, but she wasn't Queen Berry yet.

tlb wrote:That visit may not have been a state visit; but even as an official visit, the "propriety-obsessed protocolists" would had to have been involved. Consider that they were involved the first time that Honor appeared as Steadholder Harrington, despite being in naval uniform.

munroburton wrote:They're involved at every level, yes. What makes an all-up state visit so much more stressful for the protocolists is how many more people would have to be instructed that they have to say "Your Mousety," with a solemn expression. Or at least without giggling.

tlb wrote:I have found a discrepancy in the book, which has no effect on the story; but is an interesting oversight.

Early in the book, Queen Berry comes aboard Michelle Henke's flag ship and they talk. Michelle asks Berry if she had ever met cousin Elizabeth. Berry says the Queen, no Empress now? She then says they met long before Berry became Queen of Torch (referring to Crown of Slaves). Then Mike laughs about how the propriety-obsessed protocolists will react when first there is a state visit to Manticore.

But all this has already happened. Chapter 33 of A Rising Thunder makes it clear that Queen Berry attended the wedding of Rivka to Crown Prince Roger. It is a certainty that the Queen and the Empress would have met at that time.

tlb wrote:I have found a discrepancy in the book, which has no effect on the story; but is an interesting oversight.

Early in the book, Queen Berry comes aboard Michelle Henke's flag ship and they talk. Michelle asks Berry if she had ever met cousin Elizabeth. Berry says the Queen, no Empress now? She then says they met long before Berry became Queen of Torch (referring to Crown of Slaves). Then Mike laughs about how the propriety-obsessed protocolists will react when first there is a state visit to Manticore.

But all this has already happened. Chapter 33 of A Rising Thunder makes it clear that Queen Berry attended the wedding of Rivka to Crown Prince Roger. It is a certainty that the Queen and the Empress would have met at that time.

Junk1992 wrote:There was also Berry's visit with her entire cabinet in Cauldron. When Jeremy made everybody freak just by entering the room.

ThinksMarkedly wrote:Speaking of... didn't anyone in the Old Chicago police forces notice that the assassination attempt happened after Audrey's air car was diverted? Her assassins would have been out of position because of that! As clearly highly paid those were, they wouldn't have thrown the op plan to the wind and winged it, would they?

tlb wrote:When reading the earlier books, I was sure there were actual bombs put into the State Sec ships while they were in Malign shipyards, but now we find that there were computer suicide protocols installed instead. I cannot find the earlier text to check my memory. However this gives a satisfactory answer to what Shannon did to bring about her "Oops" moment.

Torch of Freedom: Ch. 15 wrote:And if it happens we decide never to mount the operation at all, then we simply detonate those little suicide charges none of them realize 'Manpower's' put aboard their vessels. They all blow up simultaneously in a star system where nobody else is going to know anything about it, and our potential security problem goes away. [snip]

The chance of any of their ex-StateSec puppets ever discovering the suicide charges which had been built into each of their ships during routine maintenance overhauls ranged somewhere between ridiculously minute and zero. Personally, if he'd been aboard one of those ships, he would have been going over it with a fine-toothed comb, given all of the many sets of circumstances he could think of under which it would be convenient for "Manpower" if their mercenary pirates simply . . . went away, as his father had put it. The fact that people who'd been StateSec officers didn't seem to be even considering the possibility was only one more indication, in his opinion, of how far they'd fallen since Thomas Theisman's restoration of the Old Republic had turned them into interstellar orphans.[snip]

if a single Mesan vessel with the activation codes for those suicide charges should just happen to arrive at their post-Verdant Vista rendezvous and transmit them while all those nasty genocidal StateSec fanatics were in range.