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by TFLYTSNBN » Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:10 pm | |
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The most common personal small arm employed in the Honorverse is the Pulsar. Weber gives the impression that this is a gravity driven projectile weapon with very high velocity. I'll comment on this later, but what are everyone's thoughts on probable calibers, projectile masses and velocities?
Given the fact that the velocities of modern projectile weapons are about 1 kilometer per second and the speed of sound in most human tissues is 1,500 meters per second, what would be different about the effects of projectiles at 2-4 kilometres per second? |
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by tlb » Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:28 pm | |
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House of Steel gives the Marine grav pulse rifle as 4x37mm (which I take as being the diameter and length of the projectile) and I assume this is a Spitzer point with a boat-tail shape. The speed of even the pistol is stated to be hyper-velocity, so somewhere over 3000 meters per second (about 9 times the speed of sound). This reminds me most of the anti-tank penetrator of the sabot round. I recall that Maxxq commented at one time about the tri-barrel and maybe more; so I will see of I can dredge that up. Here is the thread I remembered: Heavy Tri-barrels I expect that the size of the pistol round might be more like 2x16mm with less velocity because of the smaller impeller size. |
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by Theemile » Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:58 pm | |
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Jayne's has the following on the M7 hand pulser:
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by tlb » Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:17 pm | |
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Good; bigger than I guessed, but still military issue and so probably on the higher end of the civilian market. Unlike the gun that Cachet wanted in chatper 40 of Torch of Freedom:
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by George J. Smith » Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:20 pm | |
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That's one hell of a big gun, makes the BFG in Doom look like a toy Sorry couldn't help it .
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by Loren Pechtel » Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:38 pm | |
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The projectiles will be a lot more damaging because they're supersonic. Note, however, that the small size will mean it will slow down rapidly.
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by cthia » Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:32 pm | |
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by Daryl » Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:06 am | |
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The interesting point for me is that having a rapid firing hand gun with similar muzzle energy to a 50 cal, would indicate yet some more tricky Honorverse physics to handle the recoil. A heavy semi auto Barret is a shoulder buster, how would you control a light pistol?
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by cthia » Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:49 am | |
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I don't think that would be tricky physics at all. Just physics. It is called a fuzzler. Here in the Sol system we have silencers which we can install on our weapons. Some tongues refer to it as a muzzler. To deal with the incessant kick of a gun in the Honorverse, an equal and opposite force is sent along the outside of the gun, thus cancelling each other out. A force muzzler. Hence, fuzzler. The opposite force hits a plate which disperses the energy. It is an ingenious mechanism perfectly "synchronizing" Newton's third law. Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense |
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by tlb » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:16 am | |
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If it hits a plate to stop, then all that momentum of stopping is transmitted to the shooter. The way to avoid that is to stop the counterweight slowly, so the momentum transfer occurs over a longer, more manageable level; eliminating the peak by spreading it. However, we do have things in the Honorverse that violate Newton's Laws, the most well known is the compensator (that somehow catches momentum changes and discharges them into a wedge or grav wave). Another is the mass driver that is used in missile pod, since if it behaved in a Newtonian way it would be moving backwards faster than the velocity it could impart to that last missile. PS. It is called a "silencer" because that is what Maxim called his invention (the son of the machine gun inventor). He developed it as a result of developing the auto muffler. It does not completely silence a gunshot, but it does suppress the sound by eliminating some and spreading the rest of the muzzle blast. So a word that is preferred in some circles is "suppressor". |
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