Abigale Hearns

ThinksMarkedly wrote:

cthia wrote:What would be even better is Abigail as CO of her own ship with a Grayson woman as XO and featuring several other Grayson women in key positions like tactical, navigation and engineering. A Grayson ship making a name for itself. What on earth would her nickname be. The Judgement? LOL

Forget it, there aren't enough Grayson female officers to do that. Not in the time it will take Abigail to reach CO position.

Given the size of the GSN, the only way any two Grayson-born female officers in the next few years will end up aboard the same ship is if they're assigned because they're women, instead of taking into account their skills. Someone probably justified assigning both Cecilie and Claire to the Manasseh because the ship had been fitted with berthing for women, but that excuse won't hold for long.

At any rate, the GSN can carry the gauntlet in storyline for a while. Grayson shall no longer be considered the weak link in the Alliance's chain.

"Shall no longer?" They not only haven't been that since 1906 PD, they were the strongest link between 1915 and 1920.

Brigade XO wrote:Claire Bedlam Lecroix and Cecelie Rustin in the short story Obligated Service were NOT the only Grayson women going into service nor were they the only ones who went through Saganami Island. At one point Claire is recalling (in her head-for out background) that Honor arranged with Manticore for the Steadholders to nominate (I think it was up to 6 each) female candidates for the Island and Clare was one of a couple from her Stedding to go but that- in her Steddings case- the other women dropped out. But there were others and though we only see Cecelie because she was already on the ship Claire was transfered to.

Not clear how many enlisted women are Graysons on GSN ships but at the time of Oyster Bay there is at least one small crop of female Grayson Officers who at that point are ensigns and graduated from the The Island. We just haven't seen others yet.

ThinksMarkedly wrote:

Brigade XO wrote:Claire Bedlam Lecroix and Cecelie Rustin in the short story Obligated Service were NOT the only Grayson women going into service nor were they the only ones who went through Saganami Island. At one point Claire is recalling (in her head-for out background) that Honor arranged with Manticore for the Steadholders to nominate (I think it was up to 6 each) female candidates for the Island and Clare was one of a couple from her Stedding to go but that- in her Steddings case- the other women dropped out. But there were others and though we only see Cecelie because she was already on the ship Claire was transfered to.

Not clear how many enlisted women are Graysons on GSN ships but at the time of Oyster Bay there is at least one small crop of female Grayson Officers who at that point are ensigns and graduated from the The Island. We just haven't seen others yet.

We don't know that they all graduated. I got the impression that they didn't: the only two Grayson women who are officers and serving on GSN ships were on the same ship for berthing accommodation reasons.

Even if there were 20 of them today, that's what, 0.1% of the service? Let's make a simple calculation: the GSN has about 120 SD(P)s and 24 CLACs. Each of those ships has a complement of three dozen officers; each CLAC carries 124 LACs, each of which have 4 officers. So that's 17088 officers above the wall. They also have about 200 ships below the wall and let's average to a dozen and a half officers in each. That's 20688 officers in active service in the GSN.

So, no, the chance that you're going to see all 20 on the same ship, if they are assigned where their skills can be best used and best nurtured, is zero.

ThinksMarkedly wrote:

cthia wrote:What would be even better is Abigail as CO of her own ship with a Grayson woman as XO and featuring several other Grayson women in key positions like tactical, navigation and engineering. A Grayson ship making a name for itself. What on earth would her nickname be. The Judgement? LOL

Forget it, there aren't enough Grayson female officers to do that. Not in the time it will take Abigail to reach CO position.

Given the size of the GSN, the only way any two Grayson-born female officers in the next few years will end up aboard the same ship is if they're assigned because they're women, instead of taking into account their skills. Someone probably justified assigning both Cecilie and Claire to the Manasseh because the ship had been fitted with berthing for women, but that excuse won't hold for long.

At any rate, the GSN can carry the gauntlet in storyline for a while. Grayson shall no longer be considered the weak link in the Alliance's chain.

"Shall no longer?" They not only haven't been that since 1906 PD, they were the strongest link between 1915 and 1920.

cthia wrote:I won't argue with your logic, or math. That doesn't change my notion that if it did happen, it would offer amazing possibilities for storyline. Part of the impetus behind my thinking is Grayson has come a long way from its once male dominated attitudes. Honor, and again Abigail as a Steadholder's daughter, have paved many new inroads on Grayson. There simply has to be other females from Grayson to solidify the notion. Surely Abigail isn't simply a fluke.

And, if so many Grayson women DID end up on one ship, perhaps even a Steadholder's wife will enter the navy, in some capacity, as well.

ThinksMarkedly wrote:

cthia wrote:I won't argue with your logic, or math. That doesn't change my notion that if it did happen, it would offer amazing possibilities for storyline. Part of the impetus behind my thinking is Grayson has come a long way from its once male dominated attitudes. Honor, and again Abigail as a Steadholder's daughter, have paved many new inroads on Grayson. There simply has to be other females from Grayson to solidify the notion. Surely Abigail isn't simply a fluke.

Indeed and I do hope there are more of them.

But it's exactly because the attitudes have changed that you won't see a ship of only women. If the attitudes changed and they are treated as equals, then they can't be singled out in pairs or groups because of "women sensibilities." I really don't envy the trail-blazers, who are trying to break the mould: they're going to be met with scepticism, distrust, outright disdain, overcompensation, and everything in-between.

And, if so many Grayson women DID end up on one ship, perhaps even a Steadholder's wife will enter the navy, in some capacity, as well.

Unless that Steadholder has been practising near-Masadan style of marrying really young women, it's likely to be the opposite: a Navy officer marries a Steadholder.

cthia wrote:I was thinking more of...the women may single themselves out, out of convenience. Women Power! But alas, I just realized a downside to it. It has something to do with putting all of your eggs in one basket. If that ship is destroyed, it could send their society back in time.

jtg452 wrote:You're forgetting that all assignments in a Navy aren't to ships!