How was Haven supposed to fight the SL (Detweiler Plan)?

Relax wrote:One day, you will be able to count to 2. I will wait for that day, patiently because if you bother to read my own link it will explain, vaguely. Not to mention the cutaway pictures of F version of Allison 1710 engines that were only put on P38's. What did that cutaway with nameplate show? The single stage impeller crank driven... Right from the USA's OWN US Airforce museum. Yea, I think the US AIRFORCE museum can get the engines right...

Or you could be bothered to go to an airshow and, oh I don't know, actually LOOK under the hood at the airplanes. A quarter of those warbirds usually have their bonnets open and crew are more than willing to talk.

I am done. Unless maybe you can admit to how an aircraft engine in WWII actually works...

Back to SL, Detweiler, OB, and SHitty Ego maniac leadership.

P-38 Lightning (Lockheed)

The P-38 Lighting was one of the major fighters of WWII. The big twin-engined fighter, designed by Kelly Johnson (of later Skunk Works fame) and Hall Hibbard, featured twin-booms, tricycle landing gear, and boosted controls. The Allison engines were turbocharged and were "handed" -- the right engine rotating the opposite direction of the left -- to reduce rotational inertia effects. Two stress-skin monocoque booms supported thin engine nacelles, with the engine located immediately behind the propeller and the supercharger further aft. The booms were connected at the front by a central section of the wing, which also supported the central fuselage nacelle which housed the cockpit, and at the rear by a horizontal stabilizer. The main structural member of the cantilevered mid-mounted wing was a box-spar with front and rear shear members tied together with corrugated and flat sheet stock which made the whole assembly very strong and stiff. The wing included a slotted "Fowler" flap to enhance low speed operation, and later models featured mid-chord maneuvering flap located between the engine and fuselage nacelles.

For each engine, the exhaust was collected in a "Y"-shaped manifold which combined the two engine exhaust manifolds into a single pipe which was routed above the wing to a General Electric type-B turbocharger located behind the wing at the top of the Nacelle. The turbocharger and exhaust pipe were exposed to the slipstream to facilitate cooling, and the compressed intake charge was intercooled in early models by ducting through the leading edge of the wings and in later models by air-to-air intercooler mounted under the engine. The planes cockpit and other vital area's were protected by armor, and the plane had a single 20mm cannon and four 0.50in machine guns in the central fuselage nose, the plane could also a bomb load of 4,000 lbs under the wings.

First flight for the XP-38 occurred in 1939, and by the end of the war 10,036 P-39's had seen service in all the theatres of WWII, including the Europe, North Africa, Pacific, and China-Burma-India. In some theatres, like Europe, pilots struggled to cope with the low temperatures due to inadequate cockpit heaters and very low (-60° F) temperatures, while in others like the Pacific the Lightning was perfect for the mission.

For the first high-performance airplane developed by Lockheed, the P-38 was very successful. The P-38J had a gross weight of 21,600, used 2 V-1710-89/-91 engines producing a combined total of 2,850 hp. These engines could propel the airplane to 414 mph with a range of 2,260 miles using external tanks.

Relax wrote:Palm in face... Lets try something VERY simple:
What is a TURBO charger? = X
What is a TURBO SUPER charger? = X + Y

If you can't figure it out from here, I really can't help you.
Now I really am done.

P-39 Airacobra (Bell)

The P-39 was an unconventional aircraft from fledgling Bell Aircraft Company. Developed from 1937-1939, the most unusual feature of the airplane was the placement of the V-1710 engine amidships behind the cockpit. This location was chosen to make room for a huge 37-mm aircraft cannon in the nose firing through the propeller capable of firing 15 or 20 rounds. This plane also used the "tricycle" landing gear for the first time on a U.S. fighter -- a configuration dictated by the engine location. Allison developed the "E" series of engines to accommodate the engine location -- the power section was adopted from the "F" series, with propeller reduction gear removed and a crankshaft-driven shaft passing under the cockpit to a remote gear-reduction unit with a hollow passage for the cannon through the center of the propeller shaft.

The prototype plane was equipped with a GE turbosupercharger and exhibited good altitude performance. Performance was good enough to earn a pre-production order of 12 airplanes. Problems with the GE turbosuperchargers (especially turbocharger boost control) led to their deletion from the Airacobra -- without the turbosuperchargers the single-stage Allisons were unable to deliver adequate altitude performance so their mission was hanged to low-altitude interceptor. It became apparent that the early enthusiasm would not be achieved by the design, but France and Britain were desperate for any kind of interceptor with both governments placing substantial orders. France was occupied by Germany before their planes could be delivered, as a result Britain received these planes, too. The British were bitterly disappointed in the planes performance, abandoning them after just four missions over occupied France. Britain shipped most of the planes to the Soviet Union, where they were successfully used for low-level air support on the Eastern front, and were particularly successful as tank-busters because of the cannon. The remaining British planes were shipped to Australia.

Ultimately, the Soviets received almost half of the P-39's manufactured (4,773 of 9,585 produced). The P-39 also played a significant role for the U.S. in the Pacific, where alongside P-40's the Airacobra bore the brunt of the Japanese onslaught at the time of Pearl Harbor. Production ended in 1943 so the factory could focus on P-63 production. The plane was quickly withdrawn from service at the end of WWII.

Air Born: How A Secret World War I Project Launched GE’s Aviation Business

Moss built a turbosupercharger that used the hot exhaust coming from the aircraft engine to spin a radial turbine of his design and squeeze the air entering the engine, making it as dense as air close to the ground and helping the plane recover its lost power.

In 1918, when he tested the device at 14,000 feet on top of Pikes Peak in Colorado, the engine delivered 352 horsepower, performing as it would close to the ground. This was also the moment GE entered the aviation business.

The first plane powered by a turbosupercharged Liberty engine was a Le Pere biplane. It took off for the first time on July 12, 1919, and later scored a record of reaching 137 mph at 18,400 feet, compared with 90 mph without a supercharger. Planes equipped with Moss’ design went on to set several world altitude records.

But WWI wasn’t the last time Moss’ engineering prowess helped fight the enemy. In 1937, as Hitler’s power was growing, GE received a large order from the Army Air Corps to build turbosuperchargers for Boeing B-17 and Consolidated B-24 bombers, P-38 fighter planes, Republic P-47 Thunderbolts and other planes. GE opened a dedicated supercharger department in Lynn, Massachusetts. In 1939, Moss even proposed to build one of the first turboprop engines. In 1976, he was inducted into the National Aviation Hall of Fame.

Relax wrote:Palm in face... Lets try something VERY simple:
What is a TURBO charger? = X
What is a TURBO SUPER charger? = X + Y

If you can't figure it out from here, I really can't help you.
Now I really am done.

The problem for the P-38 in Europe was that it was turbocharged, instead of supercharged; with the resultant loss of performance at high altitude.

without the turbosuperchargers the single-stage Allisons were unable to deliver adequate altitude performance so their mission was hanged to low-altitude interceptor.

There is not one single engine in WWII that I am aware of that was not supercharged via the engine crankcase on its first stage. Not one. Several engines were also TURBOcharged, but only on their 2nd stage. Every single engine falls off at altitude. Turbocharged is superior at all altitudes, as it collects waste heat, quite superior at HIGH altitude in theory, but requires a large volume to do right(why P47 looks how it looks and why B17/B24/B29/B25 etc all look as they do with their large engine nacelles compared to Brit Bombers.

Air Born: How A Secret World War I Project Launched GE’s Aviation Business

Moss built a turbosupercharger that used the hot exhaust coming from the aircraft engine to spin a radial turbine of his design and squeeze the air entering the engine, making it as dense as air close to the ground and helping the plane recover its lost power.

Maldorian wrote:What has your Turbocharger conversation to do with the topic?

kzt wrote:The leadership is so invested in their plan and so wrapped in their twisted world it's hard to tell how this was supposed to work. It's like:
1) We steal underwear
2) umm...
3) Profit!

Or, to quote a comment one drill sgt once made to me, "Have you noticed it's awful dark and smelly? Maybe you should pull your head out of your ass!"

kzt wrote:Does the fact that the US and USSR constantly deployed numerous nuclear missile armed subs that individually could 20 major cities imply that they only did that because they intended to use them to attack?

The RHN was massively stronger than the alliance and basically suffered no serious damage from 8th fleet, as 8th fleet was only able to attack minor, lightly defended systems.

So sure, they could attack whenever and where ever they wanted and the RMN was restricted to pinprick attacks against their weakest systems. Until Lovat, when the whole situation changed.

So sure, they could move half their forces off somewhere and nobody will notice that they are not launching large-scale offensive or massive attacks because they hadn't launched any large-scale offensives (after the initial attacks) in quite a while.