Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?

TFLYTSNBN wrote:
I'm not certain I agree, but Dilandu certainly articulated why certain foreign countries and US bureaucrats might have overhauled the Coronavirus in an effort to damage President Trump.

Nah, it's just Trump was unfortunate enough to face the crisis, to which his ideas and models were the most ill-suited. The old-fascioned "honest-workers-could-build-their-own-prosperity" concept is exactly the wrong thing to dealt with such kind of problems. I'm not blaming Trump for that, of course - he could not predic the crisis - but he is on the side of the outdated ideas, and history have zero tolerance for clinging to the past.

Fly, why would foreign governments want to use Covid to damage Trump? Surely it would be in their interest to have an incompetent moron in the office?
Today's treat is the claim that he is the hardest working President ever. Rarely leaves the White House, and generally doesn't surface until noon.
New variation on the Lion King. The liar tweets tonight.

Dilandu wrote:but he is on the side of the outdated ideas, and history have zero tolerance for clinging to the past.

Maybe freedom and self-determination are ‘outdated ideas’ but I will stick with them. The calendar disagrees, but it sure feels like Nineteen Eighty-Four is on the way. Along with Animal Farm.

How long will this shit go on? Until the last corona virus dies of old age? We can see now that the scary numbers they’ve been throwing around are bullshit. Remember those? 2 million dead in the U.S. alone, out of 20 million cases? Of course, now they’re pretending they never said that.

Antibody testing now reveals that COVID19 has been spreading from Seattle, Portland and other U.S. cities since October 2019, and that the total number of cases is 50 to 80 times as many as were reported when only the sickest 2% or 3% were tested. This means the true mortality rate is, and always has been, less than 0.1% — no worse than the average flu virus.

Total U.S. deaths from all causes are running some 20% LOWER than the average of the preceding four years, a trend that started in 2019, months before the panic, and AFTER the virus had been spreading for two months.

The U.S. Army has taken down its emergency field hospital outside Seattle because it never saw a single patient. The hospital ships Mercy and Comfort are departing from New York and Los Angeles because they were not needed. Hospitals are losing money because they turned away most of their regular patients to make room for a massive influx of ‘pandemic’ cases that never came.

We can’t even trust the reported deaths. CDC has issued ‘guidelines’ for reporting COVID19 deaths that do not require testing, only ‘symptoms consistent with’ or the patient was ‘exposed or suspected to have been exposed’ before dying. That part includes everybody in every hospital. The federal government PAYS HOSPITALS EXTRA for every death they report as ‘caused by COVID19’ under those ridiculously loose guidelines. I’m sure some doctors stick to their ethics, but I’m equally sure some do not, and which ones do the hospital administrators assign to fill out those forms? How many will resist the temptation to falsely inflate the statistics when there is no risk, the hospital is going broke, and they can get all that ‘free money’ by just putting a few words on a piece of paper?

Some of the ‘emergency measures’ being taken would make more sense if the authorities were TRYING to spread the virus and maximize fatalities. New York has not even shut down the subways, where thousands of people are packed into big metal cans, but they have reduced the schedules, ensuring that the remaining trains are packed even tighter. New York Public Health Director Howard Zucker is sending patients KNOWN to have the virus to nursing homes filled with the people most at risk while ‘reserving’ masks and gloves only for the hospitals. Flights from China were STILL landing in Seattle and Toronto three weeks ago.

It’s about 99% political theater and 1% public health, if that.
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People can make stupid mistakes, but only the government can force everybody to make the SAME stupid mistakes.

Imaginos1892 wrote:

Dilandu wrote:but he is on the side of the outdated ideas, and history have zero tolerance for clinging to the past.

Maybe freedom and self-determination are ‘outdated ideas’ but I will stick with them. The calendar disagrees, but it sure feels like Nineteen Eighty-Four is on the way. Along with Animal Farm.

How long will this shit go on? Until the last corona virus dies of old age? We can see now that the scary numbers they’ve been throwing around are bullshit. Remember those? 2 million dead in the U.S. alone, out of 20 million cases? Of course, now they’re pretending they never said that.

Antibody testing now reveals that COVID19 has been spreading from Seattle, Portland and other U.S. cities since October 2019, and that the total number of cases is 50 to 80 times as many as were reported when only the sickest 2% or 3% were tested. This means the true mortality rate is, and always has been, less than 0.1% — no worse than the average flu virus.

Total U.S. deaths from all causes are running some 20% LOWER than the average of the preceding four years, a trend that started in 2019, months before the panic, and AFTER the virus had been spreading for two months.

Ummm, no. Just, no.

Is this the logic?

On a related topic, it would seem that Venezuela and South Africa are both suffering from food riots as a side-effect of the lockdown and the fragility of their supply systems.
Already there are several vids online claiming to show lorries being effectively hijacked and raided by mobs.

Imaginos1892 wrote:Maybe freedom and self-determination are ‘outdated ideas’ but I will stick with them. The calendar disagrees, but it sure feels like Nineteen Eighty-Four is on the way. Along with Animal Farm.

As themselves, not. But overusing them, especially in most hypocritical ways, are definitely outdated practice. Essentially only a very dumb peoples believes now that USA is really interested in "protecting freedom and democracy", and that "self-determination" in US government is anything more than a slogan for re-distributing budget money.

Imaginos1892 wrote:How long will this shit go on? Until the last corona virus dies of old age? We can see now that the scary numbers they’ve been throwing around are bullshit. Remember those? 2 million dead in the U.S. alone, out of 20 million cases? Of course, now they’re pretending they never said that.

Thing is, it's hard to say. Both for US and Russia, because both are large countries with significant territorial spacing of population centers. There are serious worries that in America and Russia, pandemic might hit in waves - the first-hit regions (like New York and Moscow) would start to recover, while others would hit the virus on full speed. Thing is, we do not know enough about this virus. It's just... new to our science, and while we already knew MUCH more about it than just a month before, we still could not correctly predict how it would behave in different situation.

Imaginos1892 wrote:Antibody testing now reveals that COVID19 has been spreading from Seattle, Portland and other U.S. cities since October 2019, and that the total number of cases is 50 to 80 times as many as were reported when only the sickest 2% or 3% were tested. This means the true mortality rate is, and always has been, less than 0.1% — no worse than the average flu virus.

You got a source for that? Btw, I hope you are aware that the number 0.1% isn't correct, since a lot of people dying because of the flu isn't report that way - many die from complications of pre-existing conditions that was exacerbated because of the flu.

Imaginos1892 wrote:Total U.S. deaths from all causes are running some 20% LOWER than the average of the preceding four years, a trend that started in 2019, months before the panic, and AFTER the virus had been spreading for two months.

The death-rate for the USA has gone from ~%0.8264 to ~%0.880 (crude) during the period 2014-2020, see https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/U ... death-rate

I don't know where you got your figures from, but the trend shows that it has been increasing since 2008.

Imaginos1892 wrote:We can’t even trust the reported deaths. CDC has issued ‘guidelines’ for reporting COVID19 deaths that do not require testing, only ‘symptoms consistent with’ or the patient was ‘exposed or suspected to have been exposed’ before dying. That part includes everybody in every hospital. The federal government PAYS HOSPITALS EXTRA for every death they report as ‘caused by COVID19’ under those ridiculously loose guidelines. I’m sure some doctors stick to their ethics, but I’m equally sure some do not, and which ones do the hospital administrators assign to fill out those forms? How many will resist the temptation to falsely inflate the statistics when there is no risk, the hospital is going broke, and they can get all that ‘free money’ by just putting a few words on a piece of paper?

If hospitals are defrauding the Federal Government in the way you describe, that only tells us how broken your healthcare system is. It's just ambulance-chasers writ large.

It’s about 99% political theater and 1% public health, if that.

No, you have politicians trying to make it that way - and the American voters allows them to do that.

Freedom and self determination are all well and good. Along with that goes another word: responsibility.

I wish those words could be kept together. The notion of going out and getting infected and then spreading it to others is irresponsible to the extreme.

With the lockdown, the government is saying that there is a very strong public interest in that not happening. So, Imaginos, you are just going to have to find some patience for a while longer.

Don

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Imaginos1892 wrote:SNIP
Antibody testing now reveals that COVID19 has been spreading from Seattle, Portland and other U.S. cities since October 2019, and that the total number of cases is 50 to 80 times as many as were reported when only the sickest 2% or 3% were tested. This means the true mortality rate is, and always has been, less than 0.1% — no worse than the average flu virus.
SNIP.

tin foil hat alert

1) how can people in Portland have antibodies from October 2019 when it was first spotted in China in December - and please don't spout that drivel about deliberate infections

2) If there was an accurate antibody test everyone would be using it already. Snake oil salesman have been doing a thriving business flogging them as a vile scam - into which you have fallen hook, line and sinker.

Still be comforted, the UK gov nearly bought £3.5 million worth of those tests until they were tested and found to be crap.

[BBC Today] The head of the antibody test program in the UK felt that the antibody test was still 3 months down stream before ready for serious production [all being well]

For a dose of reality to counter Imaginos's imagination... deaths in the US are in fact far above historical norms to a degree that indicates Covid19 deaths are being seriously under reported (because, testing shortfalls)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... rc404=true