Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?

Joat42 wrote:

TFLYTSNBN wrote:The US death rate is 15 per million people. The death rate in Sweden is 24 per million people. Obviously, your prime minister is screwing up.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ry/sweden/

Oh, he might be screwing up - I'm not denying that. But do you have any specifics?

Not even going to try arguing one way or the other, but you asked for specifics. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries as of April 2 2020 23:04 GMT lists Sweden with 5,568 total cases and 308 total deaths. This equates to a death rate of 5.532% of persons infected. The same time frame for the US lists cases/deaths as 243,298/5,883 or 2.418%.
Just for fits and shiggles to name a few, Italy is 115,242/13,915 or 12.075%; Spain with 112,065/10,348 or 9.234%; Germany with 84,794/1,107 or 1.306%; France with 59,105/5,387 or 9.115%; Iran with 50,468/3,160 or 6.261%; The UK with 33,718/2,921 or 8.662%.
Of European NON-microstates, Montenegro comes out near the top with 144/2 or 1.389%.

doug941 wrote:Not even going to try arguing one way or the other, but you asked for specifics. http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries as of April 2 2020 23:04 GMT lists Sweden with 5,568 total cases and 308 total deaths. This equates to a death rate of 5.532% of persons infected. The same time frame for the US lists cases/deaths as 243,298/5,883 or 2.418%.
Just for fits and shiggles to name a few, Italy is 115,242/13,915 or 12.075%; Spain with 112,065/10,348 or 9.234%; Germany with 84,794/1,107 or 1.306%; France with 59,105/5,387 or 9.115%; Iran with 50,468/3,160 or 6.261%; The UK with 33,718/2,921 or 8.662%.
Of European NON-microstates, Montenegro comes out near the top with 144/2 or 1.389%.

You overlooked something in your comparison which makes it a tad erroneous. I'll give you a hint: time

Actually he's also forgotton strains, but it might be a few months early for that data.

Example, the state I live in,1000+ cases and either 5 or 7 deaths.

Joat42 wrote:

doug941 wrote:Not even going to try arguing one way or the other, but you asked for specifics. http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries as of April 2 2020 23:04 GMT lists Sweden with 5,568 total cases and 308 total deaths. This equates to a death rate of 5.532% of persons infected. The same time frame for the US lists cases/deaths as 243,298/5,883 or 2.418%.
Just for fits and shiggles to name a few, Italy is 115,242/13,915 or 12.075%; Spain with 112,065/10,348 or 9.234%; Germany with 84,794/1,107 or 1.306%; France with 59,105/5,387 or 9.115%; Iran with 50,468/3,160 or 6.261%; The UK with 33,718/2,921 or 8.662%.
Of European NON-microstates, Montenegro comes out near the top with 144/2 or 1.389%.

You overlooked something in your comparison which makes it a tad erroneous. I'll give you a hint: time

Nice dodge, but it doesn't work. The first US case was found on January 19th. The first Italian case was found on January 31st. The first Spanish case was found on January 31st. Both European countries first cases were found a week and half AFTER the first US case but both countries have per capita cases far in excess of those in the US AND have death rates far in excess of that of the US.
The same website also gives total cases per million and total deaths per million. The US numbers are 740 per and 18 per; Italy is 1,906 per and 230; Spain is 2,397 per and 221 per.
Oh, want to know how Sweden rates in this metric? 551 per and 30 per with the first case found on February 4th. Things don't look all that great for you. But hey, time will tell (tongue firmly THOUGH my cheek).
US cases have had longer to happen and have had far lower death rates. The numbers don't lie.

The worst part.

At the RCH for our monthly visit and not only is there bugger all seating, not only is the McDonalds here on limited menu with no seating, but they took the meerkats away

doug941 wrote:
Not even going to try arguing one way or the other, but you asked for specifics. http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries as of April 2 2020 23:04 GMT lists Sweden with 5,568 total cases and 308 total deaths. This equates to a death rate of 5.532% of persons infected. The same time frame for the US lists cases/deaths as 243,298/5,883 or 2.418%.
Just for fits and shiggles to name a few, Italy is 115,242/13,915 or 12.075%; Spain with 112,065/10,348 or 9.234%; Germany with 84,794/1,107 or 1.306%; France with 59,105/5,387 or 9.115%; Iran with 50,468/3,160 or 6.261%; The UK with 33,718/2,921 or 8.662%.
Of European NON-microstates, Montenegro comes out near the top with 144/2 or 1.389%.

so you are happy - giggling - about deaths in other countries. nice.

one factor that you omit that makes country by country comparison v difficult is the way that C19 deaths are actually 'registered' in each country. So its a bit like saying 2 feet is more than 1 meter.

doug941 wrote:Nice dodge, but it doesn't work. The first US case was found on January 19th. The first Italian case was found on January 31st. The first Spanish case was found on January 31st. Both European countries first cases were found a week and half AFTER the first US case but both countries have per capita cases far in excess of those in the US AND have death rates far in excess of that of the US.
The same website also gives total cases per million and total deaths per million. The US numbers are 740 per and 18 per; Italy is 1,906 per and 230; Spain is 2,397 per and 221 per.
Oh, want to know how Sweden rates in this metric? 551 per and 30 per with the first case found on February 4th. Things don't look all that great for you. But hey, time will tell (tongue firmly THOUGH my cheek).
US cases have had longer to happen and have had far lower death rates. The numbers don't lie.

1. Look at the trends.
2. Don't expect accurate reporting of numbers except from a few countries until AFTER this is over.

Joat42 wrote:1. Look at the trends.
2. Don't expect accurate reporting of numbers except from a few countries until AFTER this is over.

3. Don't expect any accurate numbers from China and North Korea. The first is obsessed with Preserving Face (which is why they hid the issue for so long) while the second simply does not want to interact with the rest of the world unless we have something that they need.

Related thread: Covid-19 and our pets.

Generally viruses attenuate over time. It's in the virus's interest to be highly infectious but not lethal, so more ill people take longer to spread it before going to their beds.
Darwin ensures that the more infectious but less lethal strains become more common.