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Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?

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Re: Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?
Post by Daryl   » Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:27 am

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Fair comment The E.

There does seem to be a disconnect between the American mind set and people from "other" developed countries. I almost left out the "other".

With "Also, do you think it's fair that an illegal alien (who has no insurance) be seen and treated ahead of an American, who has no insurance? Now factor in Americans who do have insurance. Should illegal aliens be seen ahead of them?", my answer is that all humans should be triaged in order of medical need. In any developed country the legal status would be determined later, and I fail to understand why people should have to have their papers in order. Surely a person can simply tell the receptionist what their history is. A point to consider is that we generally don't use clerical receptionists in ER rooms, but qualified nurses as our focus is on medical needs not the money.

Cthia's point about insurance and suing to me doesn't say anything, but that the US society is unhealthy and unethical. The almighty dollar seems to be paramount.

Several years ago on these forums I put up a suggestion that the difference might be that the average US citizen has to be ruthless because they lack safety nets. If a person is in need of medical care, food or shelter in Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand, or similar countries they receive it. If they work they receive a living wage and don't have to beg for tips to survive.
We don't use the term "illegal alien", but "undocumented refugee". If we do determine that a person shouldn't be in our country we deport them, but we look after them in the meantime.

It isn't that we foreigners don't want the "truth", just that we find it hard to comprehend that an entire country could think that way, and possibly try to excuse the US as we must have misheard.


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Re: Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?
Post by doug941   » Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:07 am

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Daryl wrote:We don't use the term "illegal alien", but "undocumented refugee". If we do determine that a person shouldn't be in our country we deport them, but we look after them in the meantime.

The reason "illegal alien" is the correct legal phrase is under US law, entering the country in any way designed to bypass immigration controls is a crime. Reentering the country after being deported is a felony.
The vast majority of "illegals" ARE looked after while here. They are not kept in confinement while their cases are heard and are given most benefits citizens/legal residents are given.

It isn't that we foreigners don't want the "truth", just that we find it hard to comprehend that an entire country could think that way, and possibly try to excuse the US as we must have misheard.

Funny, I seem to remember half a continent losing its mind 3, 4, 5 years ago when the masses of Sub-Saharan and Syrian refugees flooded into Europe. How is it okay to complain about US border restrictions when the countries there were doing the same thing?

I personally don't care where a migrant comes from or why if he/she/they do so legally, with no malice to the country or its people, does not break the laws while here and assimilates into America. The problem is 10-20 million migrants don't fit into those rules.

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Re: Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?
Post by n7axw   » Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:09 am

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Don't mind Cthia guys. He's normally sane... Musta had something for lunch that upset him... :(

The problem is real, but the issue is more the law than the undocumented. What it amounts to is frustration over the presence of about 11 million people who are here illegally. That frustration has led to the passing of laws creating the situation that Cthia describes..

The solution lies in a complete overhaul of the immigration system which due to xenophobia and partisan rancor is not something I see happening soon.

Cthia, as for the fairness questions, I only say that I am more into compassion. So treat them. I am only saying that the emergency room is not the place for it.

There needs to be another venue for it. Lots of medical personally would be willing to help as volunteers for staff a "free" or minimal charge cinic for the poor.

I believe that basic medical care is a human right, which I think is what the oath of Hippocrates is really all about.

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Re: Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?
Post by n7axw   » Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:26 am

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You Brits have your own immigration issue, don't you? I'd be curious to hear how that is going...

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Re: Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?
Post by Dilandu   » Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:12 am

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A solution for all American internal problem: once in 25 years, have CPUSA in power for exactly one year. Left wing would saw that socialism isn't a solution for all their problems, right wing would saw that socialism isn't the worst that could happens, and accumulated problems would be solved.
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Re: Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:21 am

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Re: Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?
Post by cthia   » Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:41 am

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:https://www.redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2020/03/12/the-chinese-knew-what-they-were-doing-in-spreading-the-wuhan-virus/

I always thought it was an engineered virus. I still do. And I think a lot of the research came out of the last Ebola crisis.

Scientists around the world are racing to understand COVID-19, the novel coronavirus that has infected more than 82,000 people worldwide and killed 2,817 people as of Thursday. While there are many known viruses in the same class of coronavirus as COVID-19, some of its peculiarities — including its infectivity — are perplexing researchers. Now, a recent research paper viewable on the Chinese research site Chinaxiv.org and previously reported on by the South China Morning Post notes that the new coronavirus has an "HIV-like mutation" that gives it novel properties.

"Because of this mutation, the packing mechanism of the 2019-nCoV may be changed to being more similar to those of MHV, HIV, Ebola virus (EBoV) and some avian influenza viruses," the English abstract of the paper states.


If my suspicions are wrong, thank God for small/large/huge/astronomical?, favors.

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Re: Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?
Post by The E   » Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:07 pm

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It's interesting to see who uses a crisis like this as a pretext to indulge in xenophobia and conspiracy theories.

Not, you know, surprising. But interesting.
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Re: Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?
Post by cthia   » Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:39 pm

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I know that I'm no better than Darby Shaw in the Pelican Brief with my crazy conspiracy theories. Deja Vu, I've heard that too. I heard that I was crazy when I said the US must be insane for using Russian made antivirus software. I made that statement right here on this forum on Oct. 27 2017, for the second or third time. I was skewered for it. Less than a week later, this was released to the public...

Kaspersky anti-virus software for small businesses. ... In September, the U.S. government moved to ban the use of Kaspersky products from government computers after it was revealed that Russian hackers managed to obtain U.S. National Security Agency information through the software two years ago. Nov 1, 2017


I must be crazy.

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Re: Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?
Post by Dilandu   » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:58 pm

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cthia wrote:I know that I'm no better than Darby Shaw in the Pelican Brief with my crazy conspiracy theories. Deja Vu, I've heard that too. I heard that I was crazy when I said the US must be insane for using Russian made antivirus software. I made that statement right here on this forum on Oct. 27 2017, for the second or third time. I was skewered for it. Less than a week later, this was released to the public...

I must be crazy.


Yeah, after decades of USA using US-developed systems for spying on everyone else, somebody decided to try this on USA themselves) "How dare they", yeah) :D
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