Siddarmark Situation

phillies wrote:Sandaria didn't seem to have the needed acceptance of technology. Also, suborning OWL requires suborning Nahrman in the AI environment, which seems unlikely.

Dilandu wrote:
This depend on what level is the supposed sub-routines operates. If the original data is compromised on SNARC's - i.e. they are ordered to edit the footage - then Nahrman would not notice anything until he would run into some heavy contradiction.

PeterZ wrote:I can't get over the thought that SOMETHING weird happened.

My thought is that the SSK may just have something to do with this. Assuming Schueler did lasso the SSK into his overarching plan after Khody's death, he might have given them some sorts of over ride for Terran Federation computer systems. If so, then Sandaria Ghatfryd had more than enough time to suborn OWL when she was first confined to Nimue's Cave upon learning of Nimue Alban's mission. That means Sandaria could have compromised OWL's reports regarding anything that involves her activities to further Schueler's plan as Sandaria saw it.

I say Sandaria just because I doubt Nynian is a good enough actress to pull off marrying Merlin and conspiring behind his back. If she did do that, then achieving Schueler's goals are not mutually exclusive of achieving Merlin's and the Inner Circle's goals.

With OWL's help the SSK can easily implement Schueler's Plan or more likely hide their involvement in executing that plan for their patron.

SilverbladeTE wrote:question:

do high pressure boilers, like iirc, 550 PSI and more is that right?, require technology that's IMPOSSIBLE without electricity?

from what I recall Germans had 750 PSI boilers by 1930s but they had major problems with reliability etc

wondering if the Inner Circle could develop such things?

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and machining such large turbines is a major *pain*

PeterZ wrote:Not a hack. Schueler provided an access code that superseded Nimue's. Sandaria then coopted OWL to execute the plan Schueler tasked the SSK to perform as she believed it should be. In this scenario Nynian has directed the SSK to be guided by Merlin's Inner Circle. Sandaria disagrees but recognizes Nynian will not be persuaded that the CoGA needs to be much more thoroughly discredited than the IC is willing go. In short, Sandaria believes delaying Schueler's task for any reason is unacceptable.

If the SSK has the true Testimony of Schueler but NOT the visitation imagery, coopting OWL to create that imagery is something I can see her doing.

MantiMerchie wrote:Other than a couple controls for a couple of pumps, yes. Or rather yes at the operating level.
I'd have to see what non electrical controls used to exist for the main feed pump and condensate pumps.
The Liberty ships can operate their plant with no electricity but that's only 450 psi and I think no superheat.
Peter

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Robert_A_Woodward wrote:

PeterZ wrote:Not a hack. Schueler provided an access code that superseded Nimue's. Sandaria then coopted OWL to execute the plan Schueler tasked the SSK to perform as she believed it should be. In this scenario Nynian has directed the SSK to be guided by Merlin's Inner Circle. Sandaria disagrees but recognizes Nynian will not be persuaded that the CoGA needs to be much more thoroughly discredited than the IC is willing go. In short, Sandaria believes delaying Schueler's task for any reason is unacceptable.

If the SSK has the true Testimony of Schueler but NOT the visitation imagery, coopting OWL to create that imagery is something I can see her doing.

Ahem, OWL was set up by people who suspected that Langhorne and company were going to rewrite the mission plan. Thus, they would certainly purge the account list and reset all passwords (except for Nimue's).

PeterZ wrote:Not a hack. Schueler provided an access code that superseded Nimue's. Sandaria then coopted OWL to execute the plan Schueler tasked the SSK to perform as she believed it should be. In this scenario Nynian has directed the SSK to be guided by Merlin's Inner Circle. Sandaria disagrees but recognizes Nynian will not be persuaded that the CoGA needs to be much more thoroughly discredited than the IC is willing go. In short, Sandaria believes delaying Schueler's task for any reason is unacceptable.

If the SSK has the true Testimony of Schueler but NOT the visitation imagery, coopting OWL to create that imagery is something I can see her doing.

Robert_A_Woodward wrote:
Ahem, OWL was set up by people who suspected that Langhorne and company were going to rewrite the mission plan. Thus, they would certainly purge the account list and reset all passwords (except for Nimue's).

Randomiser wrote:
Exactly! There is zero evidence that Scheuler knew anything about Nimue's Cave, far less had access to set up user accounts. It's unlikely that he would ever have had access to military computers himself. And you notice PeterZ ignores my comment on the unlikeliness of Sandaria having a code Nynian doesn't know about.

PeterZ wrote:Exactly! There is zero evidence that Scheuler knew anything about Nimue's Cave, far less had access to set up user accounts.

PeterZ wrote:As for Schueler having the over ride, perhaps Khody's demon provided him with an over ride that would work both on the Temple computers as well as OWL? Something Dr. Proctor installed on all their software as well as slipped into the temple computers. That access was what persuaded Khody and later Schueler.