Missing "Fallen" Archangel

In _Off Armageddon Reef_ (August, YoG 890 .VII), Merlin is reviewing the list of Fallen Archangels in the Book of Chihiro and besides the ones that appear in the appendices of most Safehold titles, there is one more: Archangel Rodriguez "who had preached the arrogant, seductive lie that men were actually capable of setting their own fallible hands to the creation of the law under which they might live."

The best I can tell, that is the only mention of Rodriguez in the entire series.

Robert_A_Woodward wrote:In _Off Armageddon Reef_ (August, YoG 890 .VII), Merlin is reviewing the list of Fallen Archangels in the Book of Chihiro and besides the ones that appear in the appendices of most Safehold titles, there is one more: Archangel Rodriguez "who had preached the arrogant, seductive lie that men were actually capable of setting their own fallible hands to the creation of the law under which they might live."

The best I can tell, that is the only mention of Rodriguez in the entire series.

And that doesn't strike you as a flagrant Chekov's gun?

fallsfromtrees wrote:

Robert_A_Woodward wrote:In _Off Armageddon Reef_ (August, YoG 890 .VII), Merlin is reviewing the list of Fallen Archangels in the Book of Chihiro and besides the ones that appear in the appendices of most Safehold titles, there is one more: Archangel Rodriguez "who had preached the arrogant, seductive lie that men were actually capable of setting their own fallible hands to the creation of the law under which they might live."

The best I can tell, that is the only mention of Rodriguez in the entire series.

And that doesn't strike you as a flagrant Chekov's gun?

Actually, there are more than one Chekov's gun in the existing list. The Fallen Archangels Sullivan and Stavraki are named in that chapter of _OAR_ and are not mentioned in the text of other Safehold titles (except in the list of Fallen Archangels in the appendices). Asher's only mention in the text, besides that chapter, is being the namesake of an Ascher decree in _At the Sign of Triumph_ which was part of the Inquistion crackdown on anything that looked like a lack of total commitment to the Jihad or a lack of total acceptance of the Inquistion's actions. Grimaldi is mentioned several times (as is Proctor). BTW, Proctor, Shan-wei, and Kau-yung are the only Fallen Archangels we know that did exist. After all, Chihiro could have invented the rest.

fallsfromtrees wrote:

Robert_A_Woodward wrote:In _Off Armageddon Reef_ (August, YoG 890 .VII), Merlin is reviewing the list of Fallen Archangels in the Book of Chihiro and besides the ones that appear in the appendices of most Safehold titles, there is one more: Archangel Rodriguez "who had preached the arrogant, seductive lie that men were actually capable of setting their own fallible hands to the creation of the law under which they might live."

The best I can tell, that is the only mention of Rodriguez in the entire series.

And that doesn't strike you as a flagrant Chekov's gun?

After 10 books err No!

fallsfromtrees wrote:

Robert_A_Woodward wrote:In _Off Armageddon Reef_ (August, YoG 890 .VII), Merlin is reviewing the list of Fallen Archangels in the Book of Chihiro and besides the ones that appear in the appendices of most Safehold titles, there is one more: Archangel Rodriguez "who had preached the arrogant, seductive lie that men were actually capable of setting their own fallible hands to the creation of the law under which they might live."

The best I can tell, that is the only mention of Rodriguez in the entire series.

And that doesn't strike you as a flagrant Chekov's gun?

Randomiser wrote:After 10 books err No!

A mere ten books? The author has hardly begun.

Robert_A_Woodward wrote:Actually, there are more than one Chekov's gun in the existing list. <...> Grimaldi is mentioned several times (as is Proctor). BTW, Proctor, Shan-wei, and Kau-yung are the only Fallen Archangels we know that did exist. After all, Chihiro could have invented the rest.

Well, the Inner Cirle would know which were real, since Nimue's downloads would have included a command crew list for Operation Ark.

Grimaldi interests me because the text seems to indicate he "fell" at a later period.

Mother Church would have folks believe that Shan-Wei was seduced by evil and opposed God, Proctor was her servant, and Kau Yung turned to evil after the Rakurai strike on the Alexandria Enclave that killed Shan-Wei and Proctor and anyone else in the Enclave, and nuked Langhorne's HQ, destroying the physical bodies of Langhorne and Bedard and any Angels resident at HQ at the time, along with himself and "the only other person who knew of Nimue's existence". (I think had any other Archangels been present then and also destroyed, it would have been mentioned by now.)

We don't have a fill list of Archangels, and don't know who some were or what they did. We know who some of the others were, like Andropov, Hastings, Pasquale, Sondheim, Truscott, and Schueler. We don't know where they all were when the strike that produced Armageddon Reef occurred, what they were doing, and what their reaction was. (RFC posted elsewhere at one point that when the War Against the Fallen broke out, most dove for cover and kept their heads down while they found out what was going on.)

It's known that there were political factions within the Archangels, and that not everyone agreed with Langhorne's policies, but he was lawful colony Administrator, so the disagreement would be on a political level.

My impression is that Grimaldi was one taken by surprise by the strike, assumed Langhorne had ordered it, was part of a faction that didn't agree with Langhorne, and moved from grudging acceptance to active opposition, becoming a Fallen in the process.
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Dennis