Siddarmark Situation

Myh question is given that Siddarmark's headed for a major depression due to the policies of the new Lord Protector and his advisors do you see them recovering the economy before his term is up? ( I know the book says that as they see it,he has to be removed for that to happen) And exactly how would you recover from a depression of that size? Heck I can see Siddarmark having a civil war of some description if the Anti-Charis rhetoric is pushed to hard in Glacierheart and other provinces..

Michae wrote:Myh question is given that Siddarmark's headed for a major depression due to the policies of the new Lord Protector and his advisors do you see them recovering the economy before his term is up? ( I know the book says that as they see it,he has to be removed for that to happen) And exactly how would you recover from a depression of that size? Heck I can see Siddarmark having a civil war of some description if the Anti-Charis rhetoric is pushed to hard in Glacierheart and other provinces..

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Let's consider the situation. An economic depression occurs when some combination of the supply of money and the velocity of money shrinks sufficiently that economic activity is reduced to a new supportable level. There are some ugly solutions that can mitigate the reduced economic activity. We have read posters mention company stores. That's one way of increasing activity without a great deal of capital. It sucks for the workers tied to the company, but it can produce jobs and increase demand for goods and services using less capital.

I wonder if the Lord Protector will let his cronies issue unsecured notes? If he allows the use of paper money in company stores, will he also allow that money to be traded between what amounts to be Siddermarkian Zaibatsu? Will that be the first step to fiat currency throughout Siddermark?

The expansion to a national level of these measures will have an inflationary impact. That will mitigate a depression, but can cycle increased long term systemic inflation if left unchecked. Having Siddermark go through the Great Depression then the hyper inflation of the inter World War period may be what is in store. If those trials and tribulations lead to abuses of the citizenry sufficient to spark a civil war, well that would be interesting to read about.

Well if goes like Germany, "recovery" can have a very variable definition....
Personally, I suspect we'll see the troubles allowing the wahoos in power to railroad the debate more and more antiCharis.
War is seen by wahoos as a great way ti distract the Public, throw troublemakers into the path of other countries' bullets and seize wealth.

Glacierhart and Thesmar will likely be attacked as "rebels"
Mahris and Wasu get in bed with with the Siddermark junta, attack Silkiah to grab the new canal
Attack north Harchong, engage in a dirty war of commerce raiding, atrocities, deniable agents...just to start with.
Charis will have no moral choice but to aid allies and victims.

The Church will fall apart in bloodshed and chaos because that Schueler event guarantees absolute schism with no middle ground.
It will make the Reformation look like an argument over a parking space!
Imagine testimony from St Andrew saying St Peter was an evil scumbag who betrayed Jesus so he could run things himself, setup Judas and murderously hanged him, and could prove that...yeah that'd go down well!
At a time when Church's ability as moderator and humanitarian facilitator of morals and necessities for civilian life, will never have been greater needed.

I posited in other thread that likelihood of horrible excessive carnage and evils, is very likely if RFC is running the story way I think it seems to be going...because that's Human Nature in truth, alas. So, fiction following actual patterns of behaviour is sound and valid.
Financial Depressions and crisis usually occur not because of practical falls in resources, but serious screw ups caused by Human idjits. Classic case being the "Tulip Mania"....

Would it be possible to "commerce raid" Charis as this point? I was under the impression that Charis had the only viable navy left and trying to challenge it would be bordering on suicidal,which is why certain Harchong advisors attempted to divert Zhyou-Zhwo on to a different track as declaring open war on Charis and their allies would have resulted in their swift and total defeat. Wouldn't commerce raiding them at sea have the same result?

Michae wrote:Would it be possible to "commerce raid" Charis as this point? I was under the impression that Charis had the only viable navy left and trying to challenge it would be bordering on suicidal,which is why certain Harchong advisors attempted to divert Zhyou-Zhwo on to a different track as declaring open war on Charis and their allies would have resulted in their swift and total defeat. Wouldn't commerce raiding them at sea have the same result?

It would work on the legacy sailing vessels still carrying cargo. However, once the ICN discovers who is sponsoring the raids, that nations loses a coastal city's seaside infrastructure. Desnair and Harchong have their capitals on the coast. Having the ICN visit either with blood in their eyes will just suck for them.

I suspect that if either of those nations puts up a navy, the ICN will settle for just sinking combatant ships rather than destroying infrastructure. That sorts of sets up the Dreadnought period of European naval development prior to WWII. The technical advances made in dreadnought persuaded many other navies not to confront the RN without a similar design deployed.

PeterZ wrote:It would work on the legacy sailing vessels still carrying cargo. However, once the ICN discovers who is sponsoring the raids, that nations loses a coastal city's seaside infrastructure. Desnair and Harchong have their capitals on the coast. Having the ICN visit either with blood in their eyes will just suck for them.

And remember how incredibly effective Charis' spy system is. They would know. (Of course they would really know before it even happened but they couldn't reveal that.)

Loren Pechtel wrote:

PeterZ wrote:It would work on the legacy sailing vessels still carrying cargo. However, once the ICN discovers who is sponsoring the raids, that nations loses a coastal city's seaside infrastructure. Desnair and Harchong have their capitals on the coast. Having the ICN visit either with blood in their eyes will just suck for them.

And remember how incredibly effective Charis' spy system is. They would know. (Of course they would really know before it even happened but they couldn't reveal that.)

They might not be able to reveal it, but they could arrange for a Q ship to be the first target to be hit, with rather disastrous results for the attackers.

SilverbladeTE wrote:Well if goes like Germany, "recovery" can have a very variable definition....
Personally, I suspect we'll see the troubles allowing the wahoos in power to railroad the debate more and more antiCharis.
War is seen by wahoos as a great way ti distract the Public, throw troublemakers into the path of other countries' bullets and seize wealth.

Their leader has been assassinated by an anarchist…
And, they've already had their Reichstag Fire…

Is RFC setting up for Siddarmark to turn into a combination of Imperial Germany and Nazi Germany? There have already been some disturbing parallels.
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It takes two to make peace. It only takes one to make war.

Imaginos1892 wrote:

SilverbladeTE wrote:Well if goes like Germany, "recovery" can have a very variable definition....
Personally, I suspect we'll see the troubles allowing the wahoos in power to railroad the debate more and more antiCharis.
War is seen by wahoos as a great way ti distract the Public, throw troublemakers into the path of other countries' bullets and seize wealth.

Their leader has been assassinated by an anarchist…
And, they've already had their Reichstag Fire…

Is RFC setting up for Siddarmark to turn into a combination of Imperial Germany and Nazi Germany? There have already been some disturbing parallels.
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It takes two to make peace. It only takes one to make war.

Exactly....

RFC is sort of borrowing from and commenting on history, and, people are people...such things happen because of Human behaviour trends so they kind of repeat themselves as we see in the "real world" today, alas

SilverbladeTE wrote:

Imaginos1892 wrote:[snip]

Is RFC setting up for Siddarmark to turn into a combination of Imperial Germany and Nazi Germany? There have already been some disturbing parallels.
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It takes two to make peace. It only takes one to make war.

Exactly....

RFC is sort of borrowing from and commenting on history, and, people are people...such things happen because of Human behaviour trends so they kind of repeat themselves as we see in the "real world" today, alas

There is one crucial difference. Siddermark doesn't have the "undefeated army" and "unjust peace treaty" that Adolf Hitler based some of his propaganda on. Of course, they might try manufacturing one . . .

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