Topic Actions

Topic Search

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 42 guests

TFT *SPOILERS* thoughts, discussions, and future speculation

This fascinating series is a combination of historical seafaring, swashbuckling adventure, and high technological science-fiction. Join us in a discussion!
Re: TFT *SPOILERS* thoughts, discussions, and future specula
Post by isaac_newton   » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:06 pm

isaac_newton
Rear Admiral

Posts: 1182
Joined: Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:37 am
Location: Brighton, UK

BTW if the Siddar Loyalists retain power over the long term, force-feeding their anti Charis agenda, then I can see South Harchong, Desnair & Siddermark becoming allies or at least friendly to each other.
:-(
Top
Re: TFT *SPOILERS* thoughts, discussions, and future specula
Post by Fiannawolf   » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:19 pm

Fiannawolf
Lieutenant (Junior Grade)

Posts: 37
Joined: Sat Sep 03, 2016 1:25 am

Wonder if they will get the equivalent of WW1 or WW2 before the general populous gets the whole Gbaba angle.
Top
Re: TFT *SPOILERS* thoughts, discussions, and future specula
Post by PeterZ   » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:35 pm

PeterZ
Fleet Admiral

Posts: 6432
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:11 pm
Location: Colorado

isaac_newton wrote:
Dilandu wrote:There are probably a lot of Siddarmarkians who still grateful to Charis PERSONALLY, but they are disorganized, they lack the focal point, and many of them are dissatisfied with economical politics that they assotiated with Charisian influence. Basically they thought "Charisians are good guys, but their economic ideas are rubbish".

SNIP.


Yes - I think that sounds true to real life.

It's pretty likely that the next few years will bring that back to focus - but as we also know from RL it can take a loooong time!


The Visitiation has just added another cause for hatred. The Schueler apparition will break the CoGA. There will be those that refuse to believe and those that do accept the Book of Schueler. Both sides will have many adherents who adhere passionately to their convictions. Say hello a true religious war. When that happens, Siddermark breaks up into at least 3 pieces. Shiloh, Thesmar and Glacierheart may well be the first to break away with Charisian and Dohlaran help. The rest of Siddermark breaks along Easterna dn Western lines. Those three provinces will want to have stability while the rest of siddermark wil vent their passionate spleens on each other yet again.

South Harchong, Desnair and it appears Delfahrahk cherish stablity enough to pine for stagnation. They will be unified in rejecting the Visitation as just another work of Shan-wei. The Temple Lands will be caught in a long and deep theological argument in the best case and severe balkanization in the worst case. In either case, the Temple will be weakened to act on the global stage. The United Provinces is still consolidating North Harhcong and are likely to gravitate towards the Church of Charis as the Temple Loyalists fragment. East Harchong will gravitate towards the UP as the only viable ally.

Under these conditions, the Howard Confederacy will be the most powerful mainland alliance with a very defensible border against direct Charisian assault. They can concentrate their efforts while Charis is forced to spread theirs all over the globe. The scenario represents serious challenges for Charis and intriguing opportunities for the Howard nations. Too bad that likely means a proxy war in the up coming Siddermark rebellion while Charis is assisting the UP and East Harhcong consolidate Northern Harchong without help from the Temple.

Dang! What a setting for the next story arc! :D
Top
Re: TFT *SPOILERS* thoughts, discussions, and future specula
Post by PeterZ   » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:54 pm

PeterZ
Fleet Admiral

Posts: 6432
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:11 pm
Location: Colorado

Fiannawolf wrote:Wonder if they will get the equivalent of WW1 or WW2 before the general populous gets the whole Gbaba angle.

With Siddermark turning into the Spanish Civil War as a precursor? Yeah, possible.

I still tend to see the scenario turning into the 30 years war over the Schueler Visitation. Siddermark is the German analogue of this piece.
Top
Re: TFT *SPOILERS* thoughts, discussions, and future specula
Post by Dilandu   » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:13 pm

Dilandu
Admiral

Posts: 2541
Joined: Sat May 07, 2011 1:44 pm
Location: Russia

PeterZ wrote:The scenario represents serious challenges for Charis


This scenario assumed that Charis would not break apart either. Which is far from granted. The coming schism would be order of magnitude worse than previous, because now the question is not merely the corruption & vile of Inquisition, but the belief into the fundamental parts of the Holy Writ and Archangels themselves. Basically everyone on Safehold would be forced to decide, was it a real Archangel visitation (and thus the Holy Writ is a lie), or Shain-Wei enormous deception.

The course of situation is basically unpredictable. Charis might just blow apart from inside, because there is no "intermediate" position that royal family, government, or Church of Charis could held. At least not for long.
------------------------------

Oh well, if shortening the front is what the Germans crave,
Let's shorten it to very end - the length of Fuhrer's grave.

(Red Army lyrics from 1945)
Top
Re: TFT *SPOILERS* thoughts, discussions, and future specula
Post by Dilandu   » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:16 pm

Dilandu
Admiral

Posts: 2541
Joined: Sat May 07, 2011 1:44 pm
Location: Russia

PeterZ wrote:With Siddermark turning into the Spanish Civil War as a precursor? Yeah, possible.

I still tend to see the scenario turning into the 30 years war over the Schueler Visitation. Siddermark is the German analogue of this piece.


Then who is USSR to save the day? ;)
------------------------------

Oh well, if shortening the front is what the Germans crave,
Let's shorten it to very end - the length of Fuhrer's grave.

(Red Army lyrics from 1945)
Top
Re: TFT *SPOILERS* thoughts, discussions, and future specula
Post by PeterZ   » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:23 pm

PeterZ
Fleet Admiral

Posts: 6432
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:11 pm
Location: Colorado

PeterZ wrote:With Siddermark turning into the Spanish Civil War as a precursor? Yeah, possible.

I still tend to see the scenario turning into the 30 years war over the Schueler Visitation. Siddermark is the German analogue of this piece.
Dilandu wrote:
Then who is USSR to save the day? ;)

The UP and East Harchong, of course! South Harchong is Italy and Silkiah is Japan just after WWI. They'll switch sides soon enough. They would have to for the Howard nations to bypass the ICN into Siddermark. Desnair seems tailor made for the Third Reich analogue.

In this scenario Russia was smart enough to reject communism. The USSR never materialized as a polity and Siddermark is making their social/economic mistakes.

And as I said, I like the 30 years war scenario better.
Top
Re: TFT *SPOILERS* thoughts, discussions, and future specula
Post by Dilandu   » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:34 pm

Dilandu
Admiral

Posts: 2541
Joined: Sat May 07, 2011 1:44 pm
Location: Russia

PeterZ wrote:In this scenario Russia was smart enough to reject communism. The USSR never materialized as a polity and Siddermark is making their social/economic mistakes.



Without communism, Russia would not be able to recover enough to beat the revanchist Germany, so your definition of "smart" is seriously flawed. :lol: But, I must confess, rather expected; after all, the USSR was the one and only power, that was able to make mighty United States really afraid...
------------------------------

Oh well, if shortening the front is what the Germans crave,
Let's shorten it to very end - the length of Fuhrer's grave.

(Red Army lyrics from 1945)
Top
Re: TFT *SPOILERS* thoughts, discussions, and future specula
Post by PeterZ   » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:56 pm

PeterZ
Fleet Admiral

Posts: 6432
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:11 pm
Location: Colorado

PeterZ wrote:In this scenario Russia was smart enough to reject communism. The USSR never materialized as a polity and Siddermark is making their social/economic mistakes.
Dilandu wrote:Without communism, Russia would not be able to recover enough to beat the revanchist Germany, so your definition of "smart" is seriously flawed. :lol: But, I must confess, rather expected; after all, the USSR was the one and only power, that was able to make mighty United States really afraid...

Russia was an economic basket case before they became the USSR. They would have been better off liberalizing their economy and government instead of doubling down on centralized control. The Russian economy and later the USSR economy was never more than a tithe of the US economy even with a comparable population.

The only thing that the US feared was the Russian acquisition of nukes. Europe feared their massive army as well. Had Patton been allowed to continue Eastward at the tail end of WWII, he would have destroyed the USSR forces west of Russia propper. The US would have been able to defeat the USSR, but the West was too war weary to pay the necessary price. I would argue that so long as the USSR did not attack, the West did not have the moral justification to do so.

When Reagan engaged the USSR in an economic war/competition, the USSR just could not remain within shouting distance of the US. The USSR beggared itself trying. That might be the scenario that awaits Desnair.
Top
Re: TFT *SPOILERS* thoughts, discussions, and future specula
Post by Panzer   » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:07 pm

Panzer
Lieutenant Commander

Posts: 133
Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:10 am

PeterZ wrote:With Siddermark turning into the Spanish Civil War as a precursor? Yeah, possible.


I got more of a 1920s and 1930s Weimar Republic vibe from
Siddermark. Glacierheart the other couple of provinces remind me of Bavarian nationalism.

Who does scapegoating a minority and expropriating that minority's property remind you of?
Top

Return to Safehold