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Re: Origins of the initial Manticore colonists?
Post by Weird Harold   » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:42 pm

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Annachie wrote:Marty Robbins for example.


More like Sons of the Pioneers (With or without Roy Rogers)

The Oakridge Boys, Stadtler Brothers, The early Osmond Brothers (before Donny took over) and many other groups are more typical of what RFC alluded to than Marty -- although he did employ some decent backup singers.
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Re: Origins of the initial Manticore colonists?
Post by George J. Smith   » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:22 pm

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runsforcelery wrote:
I never said they brought a Welsh accent from Earth with them, guys! It developed in the odd millennium or so of isolation and only sounds Welsh.

Sheesh! :lol:

And there's some C&W that turns out remarkable harmony. Not a lot of it, but some of the C&W/Gospel groups are really good at it.


Uncompromising Honor wrote:Hearns’s soft accent fascinated Harahap. Her uniform was of a totally different color and cut from that of anyone else around the table, and he’d realized early on that she must be a Grayson, one of the personnel on loan to the RMN from its ally. The fact that she was a woman was rather surprising, given what he understood about Grayson social mores, but what he found especially fascinating was that he’d heard an accent almost exactly like it many years ago, and not from a Grayson. She sounded for all the world like a younger version of Colonel Bronwen Prydderch, one of the few native Old Terrans with whom Harahap had ever been professionally associated. Prydderch had also been one of the more competent people for for whom he’d worked, but she’d tended to run on—endlessly—about the beauties of her hometown, someplace called Llandovery on the Old Terran island of England. Although, now that he thought about it, he didn’t think that was what she’d called the island. In fact, she’d gotten pretty upset the one time Harahap had called it that.


Looks like I got it wrong, but for a Welsh accent to occur separately outside of Wales....
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Re: Origins of the initial Manticore colonists?
Post by runsforcelery   » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:11 am

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George J. Smith wrote:
runsforcelery wrote:
I never said they brought a Welsh accent from Earth with them, guys! It developed in the odd millennium or so of isolation and only sounds Welsh.

Sheesh! :lol:

And there's some C&W that turns out remarkable harmony. Not a lot of it, but some of the C&W/Gospel groups are really good at it.


Uncompromising Honor wrote:Hearns’s soft accent fascinated Harahap. Her uniform was of a totally different color and cut from that of anyone else around the table, and he’d realized early on that she must be a Grayson, one of the personnel on loan to the RMN from its ally. The fact that she was a woman was rather surprising, given what he understood about Grayson social mores, but what he found especially fascinating was that he’d heard an accent almost exactly like it many years ago, and not from a Grayson. She sounded for all the world like a younger version of Colonel Bronwen Prydderch, one of the few native Old Terrans with whom Harahap had ever been professionally associated. Prydderch had also been one of the more competent people for for whom he’d worked, but she’d tended to run on—endlessly—about the beauties of her hometown, someplace called Llandovery on the Old Terran island of England. Although, now that he thought about it, he didn’t think that was what she’d called the island. In fact, she’d gotten pretty upset the one time Harahap had called it that.


Looks like I got it wrong, but for a Welsh accent to occur separately outside of Wales....



Parallel evolution, linguistic-style. :twisted:


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Re: Origins of the initial Manticore colonists?
Post by Robert_A_Woodward   » Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:13 am

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Re: Damien Harahap thought that Abrigal Hearn's accent sounded like that of someone who came from a town in Wales.

runsforcelery wrote:
George J. Smith wrote:
Looks like I got it wrong, but for a Welsh accent to occur separately outside of Wales....



Parallel evolution, linguistic-style. :twisted:


Convergent evolution, because the original Grayson colonists probably spoke something much like General American (which is a rhotic dialect - "r" is pronounced everywhere) while the English dialect spoken in Wales is non-rhotic (generally only "r" before vowels are pronounced).
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Re: Origins of the initial Manticore colonists?
Post by dscott8   » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:05 pm

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Jonathan_S wrote:Here's what House of Steel says. No mention of South America
House of Steel wrote:The original colony expedition to Manticore departed Old Earth on October 24, 775 PD, aboard the sublight hibernation ship Jason bound for the Manticore Binary System. Manticore, which lies approximately 512 light-years from Earth, was first confirmed to have planets in 562 PD by the astronomer Sir Frederick Clarke. Its distance was such that the voyage would take 640 years (just over 384 subjective years allowing for relativistic effects), requiring that each colonist be waked from cryosleep for exercise seven times. Accordingly, the colonists were investing about four and a half years of their lives and all their money in the voyage.
Sixty percent of the colonists were Western Europeans, with most of the remainder drawn from the North American Federation, the Caribbean, and a very small minority of ethnic Ukrainians.
(Emphasis added. Also the much older 'More than Honor' had essentially the same text but HoS came up first in my search)


One factor to consider is that this happened far in our future. The ethic mix in any given territory may have changed drastically from what it is today.
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Re: Origins of the initial Manticore colonists?
Post by tlb   » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:10 pm

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Jonathan_S wrote:Here's what House of Steel says. No mention of South America
House of Steel wrote:The original colony expedition to Manticore departed Old Earth on October 24, 775 PD, aboard the sublight hibernation ship Jason bound for the Manticore Binary System. Manticore, which lies approximately 512 light-years from Earth, was first confirmed to have planets in 562 PD by the astronomer Sir Frederick Clarke. Its distance was such that the voyage would take 640 years (just over 384 subjective years allowing for relativistic effects), requiring that each colonist be waked from cryosleep for exercise seven times. Accordingly, the colonists were investing about four and a half years of their lives and all their money in the voyage.
Sixty percent of the colonists were Western Europeans, with most of the remainder drawn from the North American Federation, the Caribbean, and a very small minority of ethnic Ukrainians.
(Emphasis added. Also the much older 'More than Honor' had essentially the same text but HoS came up first in my search)

dscott8 wrote:One factor to consider is that this happened far in our future. The ethic mix in any given territory may have changed drastically from what it is today.

True, but the text on the lack of people from South American was to answer the original supposition about the name Manticore deriving from Brazil, where the mythical beasts were rumored to have been sighted.

Wouldn't the planets have been named by the survey team, before the colony corporation ever bought the rights to the system? All three habitable planets were named after mythical beasts.
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Re: Origins of the initial Manticore colonists?
Post by saber964   » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:11 pm

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tlb wrote:
Jonathan_S"Here's what House of Steel says. No mention of South America
[quote="House of Steel wrote:
The original colony expedition to Manticore departed Old Earth on October 24, 775 PD, aboard the sublight hibernation ship Jason bound for the Manticore Binary System. Manticore, which lies approximately 512 light-years from Earth, was first confirmed to have planets in 562 PD by the astronomer Sir Frederick Clarke. Its distance was such that the voyage would take 640 years (just over 384 subjective years allowing for relativistic effects), requiring that each colonist be waked from cryosleep for exercise seven times. Accordingly, the colonists were investing about four and a half years of their lives and all their money in the voyage.
Sixty percent of the colonists were Western Europeans, with most of the remainder drawn from the North American Federation, the Caribbean, and a very small minority of ethnic Ukrainians.
(Emphasis added. Also the much older 'More than Honor' had essentially the same text but HoS came up first in my search)

dscott8 wrote:One factor to consider is that this happened far in our future. The ethic mix in any given territory may have changed drastically from what it is today.

True, but the text on the lack of people from South American was to answer the original supposition about the name Manticore deriving from Brazil, where the mythical beasts were rumored to have been sighted.

Wouldn't the planets have been named by the survey team, before the colony corporation ever bought the rights to the system? All three habitable planets were named after mythical beasts.[/quote]



All of the mythical animals have a theme in common namely the lion.

Manticore Lion with bat wings.
Sphinx lion body with a human head, depending on myth also wings of a bird.
Gryphon lion body with the head and wings of an eagle or falcon.
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Re: Origins of the initial Manticore colonists?
Post by tlb   » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:32 pm

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Jonathan_S wrote:Here's what House of Steel says. No mention of South America
House of Steel wrote:The original colony expedition to Manticore departed Old Earth on October 24, 775 PD, aboard the sublight hibernation ship Jason bound for the Manticore Binary System. Manticore, which lies approximately 512 light-years from Earth, was first confirmed to have planets in 562 PD by the astronomer Sir Frederick Clarke. Its distance was such that the voyage would take 640 years (just over 384 subjective years allowing for relativistic effects), requiring that each colonist be waked from cryosleep for exercise seven times. Accordingly, the colonists were investing about four and a half years of their lives and all their money in the voyage.
Sixty percent of the colonists were Western Europeans, with most of the remainder drawn from the North American Federation, the Caribbean, and a very small minority of ethnic Ukrainians.
(Emphasis added. Also the much older 'More than Honor' had essentially the same text but HoS came up first in my search)

dscott8 wrote:One factor to consider is that this happened far in our future. The ethic mix in any given territory may have changed drastically from what it is today.

tlb wrote:True, but the text on the lack of people from South American was to answer the original supposition about the name Manticore deriving from Brazil, where the mythical beasts were rumored to have been sighted.

Wouldn't the planets have been named by the survey team, before the colony corporation ever bought the rights to the system? All three habitable planets were named after mythical beasts.

saber964 wrote:All of the mythical animals have a theme in common namely the lion.

Manticore Lion with bat wings.
Sphinx lion body with a human head, depending on myth also wings of a bird.
Gryphon lion body with the head and wings of an eagle or falcon.

Thank you, any idea whether this was done by the survey team?
Clearly the Grayson colonists renamed their planet.
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Re: Origins of the initial Manticore colonists?
Post by NortonIDaughter   » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:39 am

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A manticore is a beast of three parts; the MBS is a system with three habitable planets. I've always thought it was a poetic choice.
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Re: Origins of the initial Manticore colonists?
Post by russdm   » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:59 pm

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saber964 wrote:All of the mythical animals have a theme in common namely the lion.

Manticore Lion with bat wings.
Sphinx lion body with a human head, depending on myth also wings of a bird.
Gryphon lion body with the head and wings of an eagle or falcon.


Which makes sense, considering that the usual Flag/Coat of Arms for the Kingdom of England has 3 lions in it.
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