Exidor wrote:All-in-all, though - I'm about five-eighths convinced that all your arguments - be it regarding Honor's actions on Grayson, or how the Solarians viewed Beowolf as treasonous - are actually a way of getting around the fanfic restrictions Mr. Weber places on his work.
kzt wrote:You should realize that there is no evidence that he's ever actually read any of the books. As far as I can determine, his hornorvere arguments are solely this based on some article in some wiki somewhere.
TFLYTSNBN wrote:He has read the books thoroughly.
He just has the nerve to look under the skirt.
PeterZ wrote:If he looked up Honor's skirt, her armsmen would shoot him quick as a wink. They'd stop feeling guilty as soon as they realized what he was saying about her.
Now there several posters who challenge the story and back their views darned well. They aren't looking up anyone's skirts to do it either.
cthia wrote:I'm a perfect gentleman, Peter. I'll look away even when the wind blows a skirt aloft. But, I can't erase the glimpse.
Personally, I've never had a problem getting a woman to remove her skirt, for me.
Since I've got the balls and the confidence to simply ask Honor, eat your heart out.
PeterZ wrote:Ah, but the confidence to ask does not reflect the suavity necessary to succeed in the circumstances under discussion. The positions you are advocating are both insulting and demeaning to Honor. Undeservedly so in my opinion. Casting underserved blame at a woman is hardly an effective tactic to get her feeling intimate.
cthia wrote:Peter, I would have been able to discuss anything with Honor. Since I'd have been sleeping with her from
way back
On Basilisk Station. I would have cried like a baby over what happened to Honor. As a Queen's officer I would have damn near self-destructed had I not even known her personally. She'd only have had to sample my emotions and she'd have asked
me out. If left back in the Star Kingdom, I'd have raised more hell over what happened to her than ten Catherine Montaignes! But through it all, I'd still have told her she made a bad call, just like if Paul would have pointed out to her the scandal she could be bringing to Grayson. And she'd have accepted it.
Honor, has always been a bastion of truth.
Honor, would not want anyone pussyfooting around that truth.
Honor, would have no problem admitting that truth to herself and to the world, should it ever be presented to her.
Honor, would admit that allowing Nimitz to remain during the duel was not the correct strategic decision under the circumstances regardless of whether or not she intended to shun the unfair advantage.
Honor would realize the severity of the mistake on a planet like Grayson.
Honor is only human. She made an error in judgement that can greatly impact Grayson. There is no way that I think she intentionally cheated. I don't even think her focus was on being fair to Burdette. She was wounded. Tired. Hungry. Angry. Sleepy and grieving. And she wanted to sever - Burdette's ties with the world along with his neck. Many professionals make an error in judgement in the midst of a lack of sleep and a whole lot less problems than Honor had.
But the
THING is irrefutable.
Whether it went down like that or no, after learning her secret, would you not cry like a bitch about the unfairness of it all, if it was
your head on the chopping block? Sure you wouldn't.
As I have argued, this is not cheating. She is executing the SOB, not giving him a fair chance to live. She isn't competing in a contest meant to text specific skills. Honor isn't playing a game. Honor isn't trying engage Burdette in any way other than trying to kill him. She is sanctioned by the Protector to do that one thing. That is to kill Burdette with a sword. Even if Honor was a powerful telepath who knew every action Burdette will take as soon as he decided to take that action, it still would not have been cheating, immoral or unjust for her to use that skill to kill the SOB.
This is not a contest in the legal sense. It is an execution. The trial element was settled when Burdette admitted guilt. Burdette is morally in the wrong any way his actions are viewed, so cannot claim moral justification for his awful actions that include murder. Your claim that Honor had to give that guilty bigot a better chance to survive in order to be just is ludicrous. The law asserted that he deserved death and Honor gave it to him. Punct Schloss!
This'll be my last post on the subject. There is nothing to be learned from continuing.
