[SPOILERS] Now that the war is over . . .

stewart wrote:The term is "Leadership"

The "Leader" has been there and done that, and is worthy of the position.
The "followers" or "fellow leaders" set further examples and behaviors which inspire subordinates to follow without flinching wherever they are led.

-- Stewart

Unless that leader is Elvis Santino, High Ridge or Janasick?

Or a countless number of silly Sollies.[/quote]

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Janacek and co were not Leaders in the proper sense. they WERE the ones in Authority, but they dictated policy and orders rather than Leading.
There is a significant difference.

-- Stewart[/quote]

This has always been a major point. Some people are natural leaders, others get authority from position.

And there are always some who get power through politics alone and they tend to screw things up.

stewart wrote:The term is "Leadership"

The "Leader" has been there and done that, and is worthy of the position.
The "followers" or "fellow leaders" set further examples and behaviors which inspire subordinates to follow without flinching wherever they are led.

-- Stewart

cthia wrote:Unless that leader is Elvis Santino, High Ridge or Janasick?

Or a countless number of silly Sollies.

stewart wrote:--------------

Janacek and co were not Leaders in the proper sense. they WERE the ones in Authority, but they dictated policy and orders rather than Leading.
There is a significant difference.

-- Stewart

There is a significant difference Stewart. The weight of the scales clearly tips on the side of the policy makers whose decisions carry the most weight and impact. One man or one woman can make a difference, but one group of policy makers usually always and does make "the" difference, but usually -- certainly quite often -- not good. See the Keys on Grayson. The Mandarins on Earth. Beth's antagonists on Manticore. And a whole slew of 'em on Haven.

Policy makers are the worse type of leader. Officers in the Navy lead people and armies. Policy makers lead entire countries and hemispheres. Policy makers in the Honorverse lead planets and entire systems.

That's why Burdette tried to go ninja on Grayson. He felt the Protector's Restoration was leading Grayson into ill repute with Tester.

stewart wrote:

cthia[quote="C. O. Thompson wrote:I think my favorite dialog from everything David Weber ever wrote follows the question "Then why the hell do we even have a Navy?" Abruzzi spat.

Far too many honorable men and women are placed in harms way by men and women with nothing more important to them than a few more dollars or a few more minutes in power.
Kingsford provided the only proper response to that question for such orders.

cthia wrote:Pardon my bold.

Very nice thought C.O. And dead on the money. It made me appreciate even more Honor's satisfaction and pleasure at finding out that her Queen is indeed worthy. Honor could never do what she does for a Kingsford.

It also highlights the essence of Honor that she suffers a severe cut on her soul at the loss of every single crew member. And her crew knows this. In essence, Honor is as worthy to her crew as Beth is to her.

stewart wrote:--------------

The term is "Leadership"

The "Leader" has been there and done that, and is worthy of the position.
The "followers" or "fellow leaders" set further examples and behaviors which inspire subordinates to follow without flinching wherever they are led.

-- Stewart

cthia wrote:Unless that leader is Elvis Santino, High Ridge or Janasick?

Or a countless number of silly Sollies.

stewart wrote:

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Some tasks are done out of "duty only" in spite of the individuals issuing the orders.

remember that some (Alice Truman for ex.) voluntarily went "on the beach" rather than serve under High Ridge and Janacek.

-- Stewart

Indeed. The ability to lead, led Andrea Jaruwalski to lead her own ass out of the path of doom. Not to mention the many times it caused Honor to do her own thing. Or that matter with Honor's devotee's working behind the scenes against Denver Summerville on Honor's and the Navy's behalf. The biggest carriers of that torch (no pun intended) is Cachat, Zilwicki and the Countess of Tor - Catherine Montaigne.

Heck, look what it made Grayson do in the wake of policy makers in the Star Kingdom.

[quote="cthia"]and the junctions are fully open. . .

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Getting back to the original thread.....

(1) Likely Manticore, Haven and Grayson will place all but 100-200 SD(p)'s each into reserve, rotating them out every 5-10 t-years to keep up on developed tech

(2) All pre-Nike & Pre-Aggemenon BC's will go as "foreign aid" to friendly independent systems as fleet flag ships

(3) All Starknight, pre-Sag-C's, captured/serviceable x-SLN Gladiators, pre-Mars CA's to friendly independent systems as utility CA's for local fleets/piracy suppression

(4) All pre-Avalon CL's & pre-Roland DD's to friendly independent systems as utility escorts for convoy/merchant escort.

Remember, there are still opportunists and pirates out there. There are x-SLN and x-PRH/State Sec operators gone rogue (although fewer than there used to be )

A good, capable local defense force in the newly independent systems/sectors will go a LONG way towards reducing "warlord-ism", and with the "second career" RMN/GSN/RHN navy retirees as trainers/advisors, will help those same newly independent systems/sectors "grow up"

-- Stewart

stewart wrote:

cthia wrote:and the junctions are fully open. . .

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Getting back to the original thread.....

(1) Likely Manticore, Haven and Grayson will place all but 100-200 SD(p)'s each into reserve, rotating them out every 5-10 t-years to keep up on developed tech

(2) All pre-Nike & Pre-Aggemenon BC's will go as "foreign aid" to friendly independent systems as fleet flag ships

(3) All Starknight, pre-Sag-C's, captured/serviceable x-SLN Gladiators, pre-Mars CA's to friendly independent systems as utility CA's for local fleets/piracy suppression

(4) All pre-Avalon CL's & pre-Roland DD's to friendly independent systems as utility escorts for convoy/merchant escort.

Remember, there are still opportunists and pirates out there. There are x-SLN and x-PRH/State Sec operators gone rogue (although fewer than there used to be )

A good, capable local defense force in the newly independent systems/sectors will go a LONG way towards reducing "warlord-ism", and with the "second career" RMN/GSN/RHN navy retirees as trainers/advisors, will help those same newly independent systems/sectors "grow up"

-- Stewart

Most of what happens depends heavily on what happens in the Sollie navy. If a lot of them go pirate, there will be real problems.

If they don't, they could do a lot of patrolling and cut down on problems.

ldwechsler wrote:If they don't, they could do a lot of patrolling and cut down on problems.

No, the GA told them they can't patrol outside of the SL. So it's up to GA to patrol a couple of million cubic light years.

ktz has it right. Not to mention we don't even know what the SL will look like since they have to permit worlds who wish to secede the right too. The SL 2.0 could be really weird shaped.

ywing14 wrote:ktz has it right. Not to mention we don't even know what the SL will look like since they have to permit worlds who wish to secede the right too. The SL 2.0 could be really weird shaped.

I expect that the SL will be shaped like a block of Swiss cheese or even a broken up block of Swiss Cheese.

TFLYTSNBN wrote:

ywing14 wrote:ktz has it right. Not to mention we don't even know what the SL will look like since they have to permit worlds who wish to secede the right too. The SL 2.0 could be really weird shaped.

I expect that the SL will be shaped like a block of Swiss cheese or even a broken up block of Swiss Cheese.

Sounds about right. I figure most of the Shell and just about all of the Verge will be on the way to the door.

ywing14 wrote:ktz has it right. Not to mention we don't even know what the SL will look like since they have to permit worlds who wish to secede the right too. The SL 2.0 could be really weird shaped.

TFLYTSNBN wrote:I expect that the SL will be shaped like a block of Swiss cheese or even a broken up block of Swiss Cheese.

ywing14 wrote:Sounds about right. I figure most of the Shell and just about all of the Verge will be on the way to the door.

That depends on how the majority of the core worlds feel, we expect Beowulf and its neighbors will be gone and the Maya Sector also. But we really do not know much about any of the others. Perhaps they will all stay and see how the constitution works, meaning not many holes in the core; the main loss could be the verge and the shell. The question mark is where are the Renaissance Factor worlds located?