EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!

Why don't you want them here? What do they represent that has you so terrified, so xenophobic?

smr wrote:Quit being a racist, we (America) have the right to control our borders. We vote and let the politicians know how we feel. This is a Republic. Gcomeau go look up the Constitutional powers of the US government concerning immigration. I know we should just escort this mob I mean crowd to the Canadian border and let you take them in. The mob I mean crowd is over 14,000 at last estimate. This just means many Americans will be voting Republican this election cycle. I will be voting STRAIGHT Republican fyi. Unfortunately, I have not been able to get into vote because the line at the early voting booths are over an hour wait time. Oh well, I guess I will be standing line Saturday morning to vote STRAIGHT Republican. Wait your not a US citizen than who the hell cares what you think!

Donnachaidh wrote:Why don't you want them here? What do they represent that has you so terrified, so xenophobic?

Why are their ‘home countries’ so eager to get rid of them? Are they terrified?

Why are they coming here? Why is the United States so much better than the shitholes they’re running away from? They come here with no education, no skills, and continue to do the same things that turned the shitholes they ran away from into shitholes. How many more of them will it take to turn the U.S. into another shithole?

We already have more unskilled illiterate poor than we can support. Dumping the world's poor on us won't solve their problems. Indeed, it will allow them to pretend they don't need to solve their problems and all but guarantee that they won't try.

We did not cause their problems. We can't solve their problems. All they're doing is dragging us down with them.
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Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it. Those who do remember history are doomed to watch everybody else repeat it.

Do a little research about their home countries and you'll see exactly why they're fleeing as refugees. BTW, your assumption that they have no skills or education exposes your prejudice and lack of basic information. Many (admittedly not all) of the people fleeing are in fact well educated professionals such as accountants and teachers.

They're trying to get to the US because it's the safer than where they came from and where they've been traveling through. All of that is largely due to US interference in those countries over the last 60 or 70 years (research the CIA in South America). And it has been greatly worsened by the way drug laws increase the value of drugs while not effectively reducing consumption.

As I said to TFLYTSNBN , the guy in this video explains things much better than I can: https://youtu.be/9fCCnOsQiv0

Imaginos1892 wrote:

Donnachaidh wrote:Why don't you want them here? What do they represent that has you so terrified, so xenophobic?

Why are their ‘home countries’ so eager to get rid of them? Are they terrified?

Why are they coming here? Why is the United States so much better than the shitholes they’re running away from? They come here with no education, no skills, and continue to do the same things that turned the shitholes they ran away from into shitholes. How many more of them will it take to turn the U.S. into another shithole?

We already have more unskilled illiterate poor than we can support. Dumping the world's poor on us won't solve their problems. Indeed, it will allow them to pretend they don't need to solve their problems and all but guarantee that they won't try.

We did not cause their problems. We can't solve their problems. All they're doing is dragging us down with them.
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Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it. Those who do remember history are doomed to watch everybody else repeat it.

Imaginos1892 wrote:Why are their ‘home countries’ so eager to get rid of them?

You know what a country "eager to be rid of someone" looks like?

Here's a hint, not like this, and more like the US at the moment. Building walls, doing everything the authorities can do to make life for minorities as hard and dangerous as possible...

Are they terrified?

Generally speaking, people who are not afraid do not tend to flee from something.

Why are they coming here? Why is the United States so much better than the shitholes they’re running away from?

I know, it's a complete mystery why anyone would think that a country with one of the strongest economies of the planet and a strong PR arm that positions it as the beacon of hope and liberty is in any way preferable to one that is poor and crime-ridden.

They come here with no education, no skills, and continue to do the same things that turned the shitholes they ran away from into shitholes. How many more of them will it take to turn the U.S. into another shithole?

Please provide proof of this. You're making a lot of assumptions here.

We already have more unskilled illiterate poor than we can support.

I mean, you could support them if you'd stop giving handouts to rich people and dumping uncountable amounts of money into your military.

Dumping the world's poor on us won't solve their problems. Indeed, it will allow them to pretend they don't need to solve their problems and all but guarantee that they won't try.

You have no idea what being poor is like, do you.

We did not cause their problems.

Are you sure about that?

We can't solve their problems. All they're doing is dragging us down with them.

Native Americans didn't need a bunch of white people dumped on them either, and yet, here we are.

Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it. Those who do remember history are doomed to watch everybody else repeat it.

It is really sad to see you guys go down the Weimar rabbit hole.

That is not just some random rabble wandering north. There has to be some serious money and organization behind that ‘caravan’. Consider the logistics for a minute. Have you ever taken four people on a family trip? What did that take? Now multiply by 2,000, factoring in third-world roads and border crossings.

There are a lot of people with military knowledge here; what would it take to march 8,000 troops 1,500 miles? Plus, they’re not soldiers. They’re a mob of ratty-ass civilians, making the job even harder.

Just feeding the mob has to cost at least $50,000 a day. They've been on the road for two weeks, they’re still over 1,000 miles from the nearest U.S. border, and if they make 20 miles a day I’d be surprised. Food alone adds up to over three million bucks; who is paying for it?

Why is this even happening?

The land in Central and South America is rich with natural resources. They have access to the same knowledge we have. There is no practical reason that those countries should not support safe, sane, prosperous societies and take good care of their own people.

So WHY are so many of those countries such dysfunctional shitholes?

Why do they hate and resent the United States for NOT being a dysfunctional shithole, then demand the ‘right’ to come here, unwanted, then march in our streets, denouncing the United States, waving the flags of those dysfunctional shitholes they ran away from? If they hate the U.S. so much, if 'home' is so great, why don’t they go back?

But dare to suggest that they should modify the behaviors that are making those countries into dysfunctional shitholes and you trigger agonized howls of Imperialist!! Interventionist!! and, of course, that neo-Godwin catchword, RACIST!!!

There must be a ‘Progressivism For Dummies’ book out there, and the first page is, ‘If you are losing the argument, scream RACIST!’ It would seem that most ‘progressives’ don’t get past the first page.

As for all those leftists lambasting Trump for ‘turning it into a political statement’ — why don’t they spend a little effort finding out who’s making a political statement by sending the damn thing in the first place?
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It is not within the power of any government to increase the value of unskilled labor, only to raise its cost.

Imaginos1892 wrote:Why is this even happening?

Honduras never recovered after they where hit by hurricane Mitch in 1998, it basically wiped out the majority of their infrastructure and agriculture. In 2008 they had severe floods wiping half of their roads.

After that their economy was in the crapper and with the left leaning president Zelaya trying to change the constitution the conservative elite with the military instigated a coup in 2009 and ousted him.

USA among others has since then supported the corrupt Hernández and his military in Honduras. Honduras is a cesspool of corruption and murder, it is only natural to flee from such things.

You wonder why so many of the countries are "dysfunctional shitholes" and there are 2 major reasons: The countries are run by a kleptocracy and USA (among others) support many of them.

Joat42 wrote:

Imaginos1892 wrote:Why is this even happening?

Honduras never recovered after they where hit by hurricane Mitch in 1998, it basically wiped out the majority of their infrastructure and agriculture. In 2008 they had severe floods wiping half of their roads.

After that their economy was in the crapper and with the left leaning president Zelaya trying to change the constitution the conservative elite with the military instigated a coup in 2009 and ousted him.

USA among others has since then supported the corrupt Hernández and his military in Honduras. Honduras is a cesspool of corruption and murder, it is only natural to flee from such things.

You wonder why so many of the countries are "dysfunctional shitholes" and there are 2 major reasons: The countries are run by a kleptocracy and USA (among others) support many of them.

Looks like the Honduran government is doing better by its people than Guatemala.

https://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=69&c=gt&c=ho&l=en

As always, your perception of reality is distorted by a profound anti-American bias.

The coup occurred while Obama was Prssident of the US and the Hildebeast was Secretary of State. They oppossed this coup rather than incite it.

https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-12-9R

https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-12-9R

Joat42 wrote:

Imaginos1892 wrote:Why is this even happening?

Honduras never recovered after they where hit by hurricane Mitch in 1998, it basically wiped out the majority of their infrastructure and agriculture. In 2008 they had severe floods wiping half of their roads.

After that their economy was in the crapper and with the left leaning president Zelaya trying to change the constitution the conservative elite with the military instigated a coup in 2009 and ousted him.

USA among others has since then supported the corrupt Hernández and his military in Honduras. Honduras is a cesspool of corruption and murder, it is only natural to flee from such things.

You wonder why so many of the countries are "dysfunctional shitholes" and there are 2 major reasons: The countries are run by a kleptocracy and USA (among others) support many of them.

TFLYTSNBN wrote:Looks like the Honduran government is doing better by its people than Guatemala.

https://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=69&c=gt&c=ho&l=en

As always, your perception of reality is distorted by a profound anti-American bias.

What anti-American bias?

Can you point to ONE thing that's not factually correct in what I posted?

Btw, how about some numbers that are more up to date http://www.worldbank.org/en/country/honduras/overview

Gcomeau: Warning do not watch this video. You have been warned this may trigger you. This video says it all about the Demoncrats and what they stand for and represent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjzeNBSZFUo

Joat42 wrote:

Joat42 wrote:Honduras never recovered after they where hit by hurricane Mitch in 1998, it basically wiped out the majority of their infrastructure and agriculture. In 2008 they had severe floods wiping half of their roads.

After that their economy was in the crapper and with the left leaning president Zelaya trying to change the constitution the conservative elite with the military instigated a coup in 2009 and ousted him.

USA among others has since then supported the corrupt Hernández and his military in Honduras. Honduras is a cesspool of corruption and murder, it is only natural to flee from such things.

You wonder why so many of the countries are "dysfunctional shitholes" and there are 2 major reasons: The countries are run by a kleptocracy and USA (among others) support many of them.

TFLYTSNBN wrote:Looks like the Honduran government is doing better by its people than Guatemala.

https://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=69&c=gt&c=ho&l=en

As always, your perception of reality is distorted by a profound anti-American bias.

What anti-American bias?

Can you point to ONE thing that's not factually correct in what I posted?

Btw, how about some numbers that are more up to date http://www.worldbank.org/en/country/honduras/overview

I trust IndexMundi far more than The World Bank.

The biggest problem for Hondurus and Guatemala is that they are still struggling with the legacy of being conquered by the Spainish Conquistadors. The Conquistadors brought European diseases which the Native Americans had no immunity to. The diseases as usual were more lethal to the males than the females. The lower ranked conquistadors who could not afford to import brides from Spain devoted themselves to inseminating the local women and married some of them.

The modern legacy is a race baeed caste system with people of European ancestry comprising the elite and mixed race people being the "middle class" while people Native American ancestry comprising the very poor.


Here is a hint for the immigrant invaders. Stop burning the American flag and painting swastikas on it then proudly carrying the Honduran and Guatamalan flag as you march north. Start carrying American flags with respect and pride, indicating a desire to become an American, and conservative Americans will welcome you.