Uncompromising honor snippet #10 (?)

cthia wrote:It seems the SLN still suffers from inexperience. No member of the GA would hyper into a potentially deadly system where enemy fire may be lurking and assume you've arrived first. Without sending in a pattern of drones into the inner system to clear the advance.

It is obvious that Vice Admiral Hajdu Gyôzô attained his rank by stealing from the poor and giving to the richly arrogant.

Eagleeye wrote:I don't know if I'd call it inexperience. It's more like an ingrained habit and a lack of imagination - or so I read it, at least. After all, at the time he arrives, Hypatia is still part of the Solarian League (even if Kolokoltsov and his cronies are afraid that the referendum will change that) - and so, in a way, friendly territory. And there's textev that he knew about the peculiarities of the systems policies - like, that they don't announce referendum results until the last ballot is truely accounted for, for example.

In addition, he simply couldn't imagine, that Hypatia would call for a manticoran presence in the system before the referendum was officially finished. Ok, that you could possible put under the headline of inexperience - after all, somehow one has to learn (and survive the experience) that even the most improbable events can actually happen, especially in a warlike situation like this. And the SLN didn't fought any war for several centuries, as we all know.

munroburton wrote:I would call it inexperience too.

Consider that Honor Harrington herself, as a Captain, fell victim to the same sort of problem - at Yeltsin's Star. Fearless returned to the system and was ambushed by a Masadan LAC.

Several years later, Commodore Harrington was again ambushed and captured at Adler. However, Prince Adrian was a vanguard scout for a cruiser squadron and a convoy - which escaped a superior force unharmed. If this convoy had come in fat and happy like the SLN does...

Prince Adrian was Alistair Mckeon's ship, Honor was a guest aboard the ship, so although she was the senior officer she was not in command.

George J. Smith wrote:

cthia wrote:It seems the SLN still suffers from inexperience. No member of the GA would hyper into a potentially deadly system where enemy fire may be lurking and assume you've arrived first. Without sending in a pattern of drones into the inner system to clear the advance.

It is obvious that Vice Admiral Hajdu Gyôzô attained his rank by stealing from the poor and giving to the richly arrogant.

Eagleeye wrote:I don't know if I'd call it inexperience. It's more like an ingrained habit and a lack of imagination - or so I read it, at least. After all, at the time he arrives, Hypatia is still part of the Solarian League (even if Kolokoltsov and his cronies are afraid that the referendum will change that) - and so, in a way, friendly territory. And there's textev that he knew about the peculiarities of the systems policies - like, that they don't announce referendum results until the last ballot is truely accounted for, for example.

In addition, he simply couldn't imagine, that Hypatia would call for a manticoran presence in the system before the referendum was officially finished. Ok, that you could possible put under the headline of inexperience - after all, somehow one has to learn (and survive the experience) that even the most improbable events can actually happen, especially in a warlike situation like this. And the SLN didn't fought any war for several centuries, as we all know.

munroburton wrote:I would call it inexperience too.

Consider that Honor Harrington herself, as a Captain, fell victim to the same sort of problem - at Yeltsin's Star. Fearless returned to the system and was ambushed by a Masadan LAC.

Several years later, Commodore Harrington was again ambushed and captured at Adler. However, Prince Adrian was a vanguard scout for a cruiser squadron and a convoy - which escaped a superior force unharmed. If this convoy had come in fat and happy like the SLN does...

Prince Adrian was Alistair Mckeon's ship, Honor was a guest aboard the ship, so although she was the senior officer she was not in command.

In Hajdu's defense (can't believe I'm saying that) he did clear the volume between his arrival point and his planetary orbit)and cover the immediate volume of the planet with drones) as he came in. He also covered the perimeter of the system against people arriving after he did. He didn't cover a broad enough volume, but by the same token, he had no reason to believe the aforesaid hostile force might not only lying doggo light minutes away from the planet but might also be unknown to the citizens of the system as a whole. And, for that matter, I could have allowed him to sweep the entire system and still not find the Manties, given their superior stealth and ability to lie low. It takes a lot of drones (especially without Ghostrider tech) to cover an entire star system's volume.

Also. the ambush Honor suffered at Yeltsin wasn't because she didn't know the LACs were there, She picked them up easily before she entered their attack range, as a matter of fact. She simply had no reason to assume they might (a) be hostile and (b) be suicidal enough to attack a formation of modern warships.

George J. Smith wrote:

munroburton wrote:I would call it inexperience too.

Consider that Honor Harrington herself, as a Captain, fell victim to the same sort of problem - at Yeltsin's Star. Fearless returned to the system and was ambushed by a Masadan LAC.

Several years later, Commodore Harrington was again ambushed and captured at Adler. However, Prince Adrian was a vanguard scout for a cruiser squadron and a convoy - which escaped a superior force unharmed. If this convoy had come in fat and happy like the SLN does...

Prince Adrian was Alistair Mckeon's ship, Honor was a guest aboard the ship, so although she was the senior officer she was not in command.

She was visiting the ship, true. But that in essence made it her acting flagship, since it was part of her squadron. There's textev somewhere else that Honor thought poorly of one Admiral for overly micromanaging their flagship, which is why she told McKeon to lure the Peep hunters away and then left him to it until the moment to surrender.

My intent was to illustrate how Honor later kept (most of) her command safe whilst entering a "friendly" system, after a previous bad experience.

I do not think Hadju has ever been in combat previously. I could be wrong about that.

munroburton wrote:

munroburton wrote:I would call it inexperience too.

Consider that Honor Harrington herself, as a Captain, fell victim to the same sort of problem - at Yeltsin's Star. Fearless returned to the system and was ambushed by a Masadan LAC.

Several years later, Commodore Harrington was again ambushed and captured at Adler. However, Prince Adrian was a vanguard scout for a cruiser squadron and a convoy - which escaped a superior force unharmed. If this convoy had come in fat and happy like the SLN does...

George J. Smith wrote:Prince Adrian was Alistair Mckeon's ship, Honor was a guest aboard the ship, so although she was the senior officer she was not in command.

She was visiting the ship, true. But that in essence made it her acting flagship, since it was part of her squadron. There's textev somewhere else that Honor thought poorly of one Admiral for overly micromanaging their flagship, which is why she told McKeon to lure the Peep hunters away and then left him to it until the moment to surrender.

My intent was to illustrate how Honor later kept (most of) her command safe whilst entering a "friendly" system, after a previous bad experience.

I do not think Hadju has ever been in combat previously. I could be wrong about that.

Not, at least, when someone was shooting back at him for real. And SLN pre-war sims were mostly "gimmies" designed more to punch the ticket of COs and TOs than to actually train them to think about realistic threats to the Invincible Solarian League Navy since, of course, there were no realistic threats to the ISLN.

runsforcelery wrote:
I've mentioned several times (I think) that the earc is based on the original submission draft which is not the actual final draft. Because I actually got this book in early, I had more time to think things through and clarify/tweak at several points when I went back and reread after giving it a couple of months to clear out of my brain so I could come at it fresh. I think it improved in the process. Note that I am not saying your count is wrong here (not saying it's right, either ). I'm just saying there are going to be discrepancies between the earc and whatever I snippet here and that the snippets are from the now-canon version.

The problem is most of us assumed that the Webscriptions version was *not* based on the eARC, but the final manuscript. The half version I downloaded yesterday appears to be based on the eARC.

ericth wrote:The problem is most of us assumed that the Webscriptions version was *not* based on the eARC, but the final manuscript. The half version I downloaded yesterday appears to be based on the eARC.

I think when they send you the full text it's the final version of the book. Until then it's the version they have handy.

JohnRoth wrote:

Randomiser wrote:Spoiler if you haven't read the Sneak Peek, - but then what are you doing here? Oh well, I told you






The Mantie commander has a Nike BC, three SaganamiB CAs and a Roland DD i.e. 5 ships and the Sollies have just excitedly spotted 9 bogies .... so at least 4 of those are decoys.

If you want a spoiler, look at Tiny Snippet #5 - A Captain for Rose and Heather.

If you don't, then don't.

So it would seem, except that we have not yet seen a Sollie admiral called Yountz. Of course it may just be that he succeeded to command once the flagship was destroyed. There is also something rather odd in the way she describes her missile defences not as designed to stand up to "our" missile fire but to "Manticoran" missile fire. Since this was a snippet for RoseandHeather to make up for there not being much of President Pritchard in the book, this may yet be a Havenite ship involved in a different engagement.

Randomiser wrote:

JohnRoth wrote:If you want a spoiler, look at Tiny Snippet #5 - A Captain for Rose and Heather.

If you don't, then don't.

So it would seem, except that we have not yet seen a Sollie admiral called Yountz. Of course it may just be that he succeeded to command once the flagship was destroyed. There is also something rather odd in the way she describes her missile defences not as designed to stand up to "our" missile fire but to "Manticoran" missile fire. Since this was a snippet for RoseandHeather to make up for there not being much of President Pritchard in the book, this may yet be a Havenite ship involved in a different engagement.

A second engagement in Hypatia system? That seems very unlikely.
If this destroyer skipper isn't "Commander Megan Petersen, commanding the Roland-class destroyer Arngrim", I suppose she might be a Havenite escorting the CLAC that's due to arrive any day now. But then it's hard to see how she'd be the officer dealing with the Sollies.

Bill Woods wrote:

JohnRoth wrote:If you want a spoiler, look at Tiny Snippet #5 - A Captain for Rose and Heather.

If you don't, then don't.

Randomiser wrote:So it would seem, except that we have not yet seen a Sollie admiral called Yountz. Of course it may just be that he succeeded to command once the flagship was destroyed. There is also something rather odd in the way she describes her missile defences not as designed to stand up to "our" missile fire but to "Manticoran" missile fire. Since this was a snippet for RoseandHeather to make up for there not being much of President Pritchard in the book, this may yet be a Havenite ship involved in a different engagement.

A second engagement in Hypatia system? That seems very unlikely.
If this destroyer skipper isn't "Commander Megan Petersen, commanding the Roland-class destroyer Arngrim", I suppose she might be a Havenite escorting the CLAC that's due to arrive any day now. But then it's hard to see how she'd be the officer dealing with the Sollies.

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-haaaaaaa!

Oh, stop yortling like that! You know perfectly well that...

yrrrkkkk!

hey! where'd that Snerk Collar come from???

runsforcelery wrote:

Bill Woods wrote:
A second engagement in Hypatia system? That seems very unlikely.
If this destroyer skipper isn't "Commander Megan Petersen, commanding the Roland-class destroyer Arngrim", I suppose she might be a Havenite escorting the CLAC that's due to arrive any day now. But then it's hard to see how she'd be the officer dealing with the Sollies.

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-haaaaaaa!