Disadvantages of Allies

The old adage rings true...

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

But when your enemy is no longer your enemy, are you no longer my friend?

Not necessarily, more that the reason for the friendship has changed. Haven and Manticore are friends (or at least, not fighting anymore), that doesn't necessarily mean Manticore/Grayson special relationship isn't going anywhere. Haven is unlikely to get between the two.

cthia wrote:The old adage rings true...

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

But when your enemy is no longer your enemy, are you no longer my friend?

not going to comment on beowulf damage due that being a spoiler and a big one at that.

as to a fight between SEM and Andermani ad heaven helping SEM out: I think it will depend. if it was sparked by a high ridge like idiot, then help is unlikely. where as if it gustav just being petty over the manty half of silesa then yes they probably would help. the the help probably consisting of acting as neutral party that has the strength to kick either them if they don't stop behaving like children and talk it out.

then again UH talks about ways andermani can expand without fighting SEM.

Advantage: Being Bailed Out By Allies
I distinctly remember learning in history class that the French assisted some colonists against their fight with the British, and the colonists wouldn't have won their fight for independence without their help.

Normal Foreign Affairs: Disagreement on Action
Nations, just like people, have differing points of view on what should be done and how it should be accomplished.

Vince wrote:Advantage: Being Bailed Out By Allies
I distinctly remember learning in history class that the French assisted some colonists against their fight with the British, and the colonists wouldn't have won their fight for independence without their help.

Normal Foreign Affairs: Disagreement on Action
Nations, just like people, have differing points of view on what should be done and how it should be accomplished.

Re: Disagreement on Action

Like being dragged into skirmishes you don't wish to be part of. Especially when one ally is more vulnerable to an attack than the other.

Dauntless wrote:not going to comment on beowulf damage due that being a spoiler and a big one at that.

as to a fight between SEM and Andermani ad heaven helping SEM out: I think it will depend. if it was sparked by a high ridge like idiot, then help is unlikely. where as if it gustav just being petty over the manty half of silesa then yes they probably would help. the the help probably consisting of acting as neutral party that has the strength to kick either them if they don't stop behaving like children and talk it out.

then again UH talks about ways andermani can expand without fighting SEM.

Haven has the strength to kick either of them now?

Well, that certainly highlights one disadvantage. Sharing tech with an ally can make them stronger than you. OOPS!

You're not supposed to give them all of your toys or the latest generations. I suppose it doesn't work quite the same in the Honorverse when tech levels are already so close to each other.

But then, weren't the Peeps still a fair ways away from developing something even close to Apollo and its systems?

they can't match apollo but they do have more SD(P)s

also bear in mind in the scenario I gave haven would be a neutral party who would let QE3 and andermani save face by saying. "well we could continued to fight but a two front war against manty/andermani and heaven would be disaster".

Re: Disagreement on Action

Like being dragged into skirmishes you don't wish to be part of. Especially when one ally is more vulnerable to an attack than the other.

Like the US not comming in to bail either the English or the French out of their venture into the Suez Canal. Or perhaps the more pointed part not carried in the newspapers about doing something pro-actvie to both of them if they didn't resolve the situation by getting the hell out.

Brigade XO wrote:

Re: Disagreement on Action

Like being dragged into skirmishes you don't wish to be part of. Especially when one ally is more vulnerable to an attack than the other.

Like the US not comming in to bail either the English or the French out of their venture into the Suez Canal. Or perhaps the more pointed part not carried in the newspapers about doing something pro-actvie to both of them if they didn't resolve the situation by getting the hell out.

Which can lead to many casualties when one ally is "hung out to dry."


Lane change:

Up to and including the "defeat" of the League, I can understand the Manties being in the driver's seat of the GA. But that milestone is past. Why can't either of the other thirds of the GA not dictate the policy of the GA? IOW, who says that Manticore has to be in the driver's seat?

What about vis-à-vis the Peep/Manty alliance, in response to the danger that was once the obese gorilla who had consumed a lot of hapless twinkies?

winsettz wrote:Not necessarily, more that the reason for the friendship has changed. Haven and Manticore are friends (or at least, not fighting anymore), that doesn't necessarily mean Manticore/Grayson special relationship isn't going anywhere. Haven is unlikely to get between the two.

cthia wrote:The old adage rings true...

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

But when your enemy is no longer your enemy, are you no longer my friend?

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