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by cthia » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:40 pm | |
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Thanks for the light shed on the darkness, RFC. Although I'm not sure I can thank you for dispelling everything as a reader I lived to hate about Haven. Finding out that Haven, Pericard's Republic anyways, was altruistic at its core is shocking. It does explain why Pritchart and Theisman so intimately longed for the return of their Republic. It fingers the source of that passion. Theirs was a government worth being passionate about. And dying for.
Previously, I really couldn't see the impetus behind the measure of their passion until your last few posts. I mean, it wasn't like their government made them feel it was worthy, the kind of confirmation as Honor needed from Elizabeth, to know she was worth it. That she was deserving. Some dark areas remain. How did the Legislaturalists not see the error in their game plan? After finding themselves in power, how were they so easily manipulated into steering the course that they chose, becoming expansionist and conquistadors, when all they had to do was to settle daughter colonies and spread the wealth to that end. Then they could have chosen to strangle a much healthier Republic? Sounds like they shot themselves in the foot when they didn't have to. An aside. Is the wealth that was stolen by the corrupt entities for so long recoverable after they were politically decapitated? A question I am also interested in as it applies to the Mandarins. What a fortune there must be collectively amassed after centuries of corruption. Seize it! Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense |
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by roseandheather » Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:14 pm | |
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::soaks up this information like a flower soaking up the sun:: ~*~
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by ywing14 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:07 pm | |
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That's one of the things I enjoy about the Ascendant Novels. They show a time before Haven became the Peeps. Though I wish we RFC would tell what happened to Wallace Canning since he was instrumental in the destruction of the Legislaturists.
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by Robert_A_Woodward » Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:11 am | |
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I suspect that he is dead. In Chapter 4 of _Ashes of Victory_, Pierre reflects that only 4 members remained of the original 87 members of the Committee of Public Safety (all 4 were named, Canning wasn't one of them). He also noted that it had a loss rate of well over 200 percent (I think this means that over 175 members of the CPS had been killed since _A Short Victorious War_). ----------------------------
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by ywing14 » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:03 am | |
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Agreed, that's how I interpreted that section of Ashes of Victory as well. I just found him to be an interesting character. |
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by cthia » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:34 am | |
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My fellow forumites. Please don't begrudge me a bit of a commercial break...
This discussion has made me think of Esther McQueen. I always think of Esther when I think of the Peeps. Do forgive me, but I can't help but wonder what she would have accomplished with Haven in the place of Eloise. How would she have fared in restoring the fervor of the Old Republic? Anyway, I was really fond of the girl and I respected her skills as well as the Peeps respected Honor's. I simply adore the way she spanked Hamish's ass at Trevor's Star with piecemeal support and no respect. She wielded what little ships she had like a sharp edged sword... This is what you get, for phucking around with Peeps. Go home to your mother! LOL Darn I wish Esther had lived. . Last edited by cthia on Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:46 am, edited 3 times in total.
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by ywing14 » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:40 am | |
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One of the bonuses would probably have been getting rid of commissioners so the navy would have seen more competent commanders. I give her a lot of credit, she almost saw Operation Buttercup coming. If she could have waited a little but longer she could have been the one taking out the committee instead of theisman. |
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by Eagleeye » Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:24 am | |
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True. But I wonder what kind of government she would've installed. Somehow I don't see her as a staunch Republican, but more like the leader of a military dictatorship. |
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by cthia » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:17 am | |
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You may have a point there. It certainly gels with my thoughts that there wouldn't have been a trip to the Manticore Binary system in Haven One, unless it would have been surrender demands. She may have gone for a truce with what she faced, but I wonder if she would have pledged to assist. Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense |
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by DrakBibliophile » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:10 am | |
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Yep, IMO Esther McQueen would have attempted to make herself Empress McQueen.
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