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n7axw wrote:LACs are pretty small for what you guys seem to be envisioning... How much crew? Less than a dozen, certainly...Perhaps only a half dozen. I don't know. They are a lot more suitable for blowing a pirate out of space than boarding one.

LACs could work in tandem with their carrier which could carry the marines if a boarding action needed to take place... do that with pinnaces rather than LACs.

Don

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Export Versions of the LAC's could be bigger allowing for the deployment of a marine detachment and at least some form of craft to allow boarding operations. Since the LAC's would be operating in home space and there should be enough operational to provide squadron strength on patrol at anyone time there should be enough to meet any pirate ship that tries anything stupid like approaching a verge/protectorate system protected by a proper navy.

With hundreds of soon to be independent systems in the core, shell and verge the GA needs to start designing everything from LAC's and possibly system defence Frigates(non-hyper capable) to BB's, DN's and SD's.

With hundreds of new navies come hundreds of different philosophies about fleet disposition. What some navies might view as obsolete and unworkable others might view as a workable strategy.

Sigs wrote:With hundreds of soon to be independent systems in the core, shell and verge the GA needs to start designing everything from LAC's and possibly system defence Frigates(non-hyper capable) to BB's, DN's and SD's.

With hundreds of new navies come hundreds of different philosophies about fleet disposition. What some navies might view as obsolete and unworkable others might view as a workable strategy.

I think it would be hard to do system defense vessels that are non hyperspace capable as it would be extremely difficult to get them to their destination. Especially if they're building them for export purposes. However, BBs and DNs sure. I think RoH should sell pretty much everything that isn't a podnaught since they're about to get a complete upgrade to Apollo. That mean's they're getting ghost rider and access to everything else. That makes virtually all their pervious vessels obsolete.

Not really.
Just load them into a bulk merchie.

Sigs wrote:With hundreds of soon to be independent systems in the core, shell and verge the GA needs to start designing everything from LAC's and possibly system defence Frigates(non-hyper capable) to BB's, DN's and SD's.

With hundreds of new navies come hundreds of different philosophies about fleet disposition. What some navies might view as obsolete and unworkable others might view as a workable strategy.

A good point, taking the hyperdrive out of a frigate would free up a lot of space which could be used for anything, including accommodating marines.

George J. Smith wrote:

Sigs wrote:With hundreds of soon to be independent systems in the core, shell and verge the GA needs to start designing everything from LAC's and possibly system defence Frigates(non-hyper capable) to BB's, DN's and SD's.

With hundreds of new navies come hundreds of different philosophies about fleet disposition. What some navies might view as obsolete and unworkable others might view as a workable strategy.

A good point, taking the hyperdrive out of a frigate would free up a lot of space which could be used for anything, including accommodating marines.

The In-Universe name for a ship that large without hyper capability is called a Corvette.

ywing14 wrote:
I think it would be hard to do system defense vessels that are non hyperspace capable as it would be extremely difficult to get them to their destination. Especially if they're building them for export purposes.

I think one of the Royal Torch Navy's Frigates was hidden in a "small" cargo ship for a raid on a Manpower slave freighter. If they can do that then transporting them from shipyard to end consumer is possible.

If on the other hands it is not possible then build in pieces and assemble on location. Build the individual pieces, ship them to the system accompanied by a naval repair vessel and technicians to assemble on location and do short trials.

We are not talking about SD(P)'s with a lot of armour but basically unarmored ships so it should be easier to build the ships in sections without worrying about adding armour.

George J. Smith wrote:

Sigs wrote:With hundreds of soon to be independent systems in the core, shell and verge the GA needs to start designing everything from LAC's and possibly system defence Frigates(non-hyper capable) to BB's, DN's and SD's.

With hundreds of new navies come hundreds of different philosophies about fleet disposition. What some navies might view as obsolete and unworkable others might view as a workable strategy.

A good point, taking the hyperdrive out of a frigate would free up a lot of space which could be used for anything, including accommodating marines.

And best of all, if one of the systems that gets those ships decides to sponsor piracy it would be that much more complicated to execute their plans without hyper capable ships.

Sigs wrote:And best of all, if one of the systems that gets those ships decides to sponsor piracy it would be that much more complicated to execute their plans without hyper capable ships.

No it isn’t. You just sponsor pirates. You don’t conduct piracy. That isn’t where the money is. Why do you need hypercapable ships to do that?

kzt wrote:

Sigs wrote:And best of all, if one of the systems that gets those ships decides to sponsor piracy it would be that much more complicated to execute their plans without hyper capable ships.

No it isn’t. You just sponsor pirates. You don’t conduct piracy. That isn’t where the money is. Why do you need hypercapable ships to do that?

Where do they get hyper capable ships? Didn't SCN ships moonlight as pirates? If you don't have hyper capable ships in service they cannot moonlight as pirates anywhere other then your system. If all nearby systems are heavily armed when compared to pirates I would say a nation wanting to partake in piracy wether they provide the pirates and ships or just sponsor the pirates would have to sponsor pirates in the range of CA and above which would draw quite a lot of attention.

You give the locals the ability to protect themselves without giving them the ability to become part of the problem until they have proven themselves. This means any would be pirates would have to come from somewhere else and they would have to be pretty heavily armed and with logistical support for repairs when they inevitably end up tangling with a local SDF. When each system has 20-40 LAC's depending on their industrial, economic and population size plus giving them Frigates/Corvettes with the Capabilities of a or even a bit more powerful than a Rampart Class destroyer minus hyper capability as well as GA advisors and instructors they become a tough nut to crack for any would be pirate.

If a Pirate appears in a region and the local defences cannot deal with him then the GA dispatches a coupe of squadrons of destroyers and cruisers to deal with the problem, but most pirates would run from a fight even with local defence forces unless those defence forces are in on it and that would become pretty evident pretty quickly thus the problem would be solved by the GA equally quickly.

In Silesia the RMN generally knew who was in on the piracy and who wasn't but they couldn't do anything because of diplomatic reasons, but when one system partakes in piracy wether sponsored or supplied their neighbours might not be particularly happy with them and there would be very little preventing the GA from moving in with a BC(P) and destroying the entire SDF in a couple of minutes. I think that would be a lesson that would need to be taught once or twice and after only the most foolhardy attempt it again.