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[Spoilers] The Missing scene?

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Re: [Spoilers] The Missing scene?
Post by pappilon   » Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:49 pm

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Loren Pechtel wrote:
ncwolf wrote:Well, I'm not sure how much heavy industry Beowulf has left. There were an awful lot of explosions. On the other hand, with the war with the League over, missile production may be the only need.


Beowulf's heavy industry is basically untouched. It was kept separate from the habitats for safety reasons.


Yes, there were a lot of explosions and all but a few wasted themselves on the impenetrable wedges of those freighters idled by Lacoon 1 that were parked as a blockade around all those vulnerable fabrication platforms. Ine nano farm module was destroyed with all hands, another platform was damaged.
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Re: [Spoilers] The Missing scene?
Post by kzt   » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:06 pm

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Realistically, a honorverse orbital platform should be hard as hell to destroy. It’s got a huge amount of what amounts to buffer space that contains no critical facilities. Though the casualties might be horrific, the platform is in zero G and made up of the crazy-strong stuff the ships are made of, so mostly you’d be punching holes into a multi-km diameter honeycomb.
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Re: [Spoilers] The Missing scene?
Post by pappilon   » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:50 am

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kzt wrote:Realistically, a honorverse orbital platform should be hard as hell to destroy. It’s got a huge amount of what amounts to buffer space that contains no critical facilities. Though the casualties might be horrific, the platform is in zero G and made up of the crazy-strong stuff the ships are made of, so mostly you’d be punching holes into a multi-km diameter honeycomb.


Realistically, old school (pre-Yawata strike) are as easy to kill as a 8Kton freighter. New School orbital platforms, apparently, are no harder to kill with a grazer than the old school ones were, based, of course, on the battle of Beowulf.
Or maybe that's just Mycroft's orbital platforms. The new ones being built around Manticore are supposed to have their own wedges.
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Re: [Spoilers] The Missing scene?
Post by BrightSoul   » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:32 pm

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pappilon wrote:
kzt wrote:Realistically, a honorverse orbital platform should be hard as hell to destroy. It’s got a huge amount of what amounts to buffer space that contains no critical facilities. Though the casualties might be horrific, the platform is in zero G and made up of the crazy-strong stuff the ships are made of, so mostly you’d be punching holes into a multi-km diameter honeycomb.


Realistically, old school (pre-Yawata strike) are as easy to kill as a 8Kton freighter. New School orbital platforms, apparently, are no harder to kill with a grazer than the old school ones were, based, of course, on the battle of Beowulf.
Or maybe that's just Mycroft's orbital platforms. The new ones being built around Manticore are supposed to have their own wedges.


Mycroft is a Keyhole 2 without the tether. It is a mobile system that can relocate within the system. Completely unmanned. Read extra large RD/Keyhole2 not a station.
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Re: [Spoilers] The Missing scene?
Post by pappilon   » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:52 pm

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BrightSoul wrote:
Mycroft is a Keyhole 2 without the tether. It is a mobile system that can relocate within the system. Completely unmanned. Read extra large RD/Keyhole2 not a station.


Obvious critical design error on someone's part. Whew, nive to know that Manty R&D isn't perfect. Still the new orbital Platforms should have their own bubble wedge like he Junction Defense Forts do. Given the dubious probability of sufficient warning, not sure how actually effective it will be in case of invisible missile attack.
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Re: [Spoilers] The Missing scene?
Post by Joat42   » Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:42 pm

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pappilon wrote:
BrightSoul wrote:Mycroft is a Keyhole 2 without the tether. It is a mobile system that can relocate within the system. Completely unmanned. Read extra large RD/Keyhole2 not a station.
Obvious critical design error on someone's part. Whew, nice to know that Manty R&D isn't perfect. Still the new orbital Platforms should have their own bubble wedge like he Junction Defense Forts do. Given the dubious probability of sufficient warning, not sure how actually effective it will be in case of invisible missile attack.

What I remember is that the whole system wasn't a completely integrated defensive system - it was more of a interim (ie. jury rigged) solution.

Saying that Manty R&D isn't perfect is wrong. If they produced something that actually didn't work that statement would be correct but in this instance the R&D has nothing to do with the deployment of the technology and its protection.

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Re: [Spoilers] The Missing scene?
Post by pappilon   » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:48 am

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Joat42 wrote:What I remember is that the whole system wasn't a completely integrated defensive system - it was more of a interim (ie. jury rigged) solution.

Saying that Manty R&D isn't perfect is wrong. If they produced something that actually didn't work that statement would be correct but in this instance the R&D has nothing to do with the deployment of the technology and its protection.


Perfect is the enemy of good enough. It came out of where ever as a jury rigged good enough (fingers crossed)and was deployed.

And since when is it works an equivalent statement of aha, perfection!?
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