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To Javier, From Eloise

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To Javier, From Eloise
Post by roseandheather   » Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:50 pm

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"I Shall not cry Return! Return!
— Nor weep my years away;
But just as long as sunsets burn,
— And dawns make no delay,
I shall be lonesome — I shall miss
Your hand, your voice, your smile, your kiss.

Not often shall I speak your name,
— For what would strangers care
That once a sudden tempest came
— And swept my gardens bare,
And then you passed, and in your place
Stood Silence with her lifted face.

Not always shall this parting be,
— For though I travel slow,
I, too, may claim eternity
— And find the way you go;
And so I do my task and wait
The opening of the outer gate."

~ Ellen M. Huntington Gates
~*~


I serve at the pleasure of President Pritchart.

Javier & Eloise
"You'll remember me when the west wind moves upon the fields of barley..."
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Re: To Javier, From Eloise
Post by George J. Smith   » Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:25 pm

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roseandheather wrote:"I Shall not cry Return! Return!
— Nor weep my years away;
But just as long as sunsets burn,
— And dawns make no delay,
I shall be lonesome — I shall miss
Your hand, your voice, your smile, your kiss.

Not often shall I speak your name,
— For what would strangers care
That once a sudden tempest came
— And swept my gardens bare,
And then you passed, and in your place
Stood Silence with her lifted face.

Not always shall this parting be,
— For though I travel slow,
I, too, may claim eternity
— And find the way you go;
And so I do my task and wait
The opening of the outer gate."

~ Ellen M. Huntington Gates



It is ironic that the poem is so poignant when the subject is trying to be so upbeat.

Thank you roseandheather for bringing such a wonderful piece of poetry to our attention.
.
T&R
GJS

A man should live forever, or die in the attempt
Spider Robinson Callahan's Crosstime Saloon (1977) A voice is heard in Ramah
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Re: To Javier, From Eloise
Post by cthia   » Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:04 pm

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Nice poem rose.

It captures her essence and will that her heart will go on. Always a tear-jerker for me...

My Heart Will Go On
Celine Dion

Every night in my dreams
I see you, I feel you
That is how I know you, go on

Far across the distance
And spaces between us
You have come to show you, go on

Near, far, wherever you are
I believe that the heart does go on
Once more you open the door
And you're here in my heart and my heart will go on and on

Love can touch us one time
And last for a lifetime
And never let go till we're gone

Love was when I loved you
One true time I hold you
In my life we'll always go on

Near, far, wherever you are
I believe that the heart does go on
Once more you open the door
And you're here in my heart
And my heart will go on and on

You're here, there's nothing I fear
And I know that my heart will go on
We'll stay forever this way
You are safe in my heart and my heart will go on and on


Also reminds me of some of Poe's, appropriate for the occasion, somber prose...



A Dream Within a Dream
Edgar Allan Poe

Take this kiss upon the brow!
And, in parting from you now,
Thus much let me avow —
You are not wrong, who deem
That my days have been a dream;
Yet if hope has flown away
In a night, or in a day,
In a vision, or in none,
Is it therefore the less gone?
All that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream.
I stand amid the roar
Of a surf-tormented shore,
And I hold within my hand
Grains of the golden sand —
How few! yet how they creep
Through my fingers to the deep,
While I weep — while I weep!
O God! can I not grasp
Them with a tighter clasp?
O God! can I not save
One from the pitiless wave?
Is all that we see or seem
But a dream within a dream?


A Dream
Edgar Allan Poe

In visions of the dark night
       I have dreamed of joy departed--
But a waking dream of life and light
       Hath left me broken-hearted.

Ah! what is not a dream by day
       To him whose eyes are cast
On things around him with a ray
       Turned back upon the past?

That holy dream—that holy dream,
       While all the world were chiding,
Hath cheered me as a lovely beam
       A lonely spirit guiding.

What though that light, thro' storm and night,
       So trembled from afar--
What could there be more purely bright
   In Truth's day-star?

Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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Re: To Javier, From Eloise
Post by Jacob Zavala   » Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:49 pm

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:( Poor Eloise

Great poem, thank you for sharing it. Also for making me sad all over again about these two awesome people being torn away from each other by war. I'd almost managed to forget about it. :evil:

Okay, that's a lie, I will never forget.

This is one I've often thought of while reading the HH series, whether about Javier and Eloise, Honor and Paul and later Hamish, or even the non-romantic deep and abiding love between someone like Honor and Alastair.

Richard Lovelace
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Tell me not, sweet, I am unkind,
That from the nunnery
Of thy chaste breast and quiet mind
To war and arms I fly.

True, a new mistress now I chase,
The first foe in the field;
And with a stronger faith embrace,
A sword, a horse, a shield.

Yet this inconstancy is such
As thou too shalt adore;
I could not love thee, dear, so much,
Loved I not honor more.
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Re: To Javier, From Eloise
Post by roseandheather   » Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:43 am

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Jacob Zavala wrote::( Poor Eloise

Great poem, thank you for sharing it. Also for making me sad all over again about these two awesome people being torn away from each other by war. I'd almost managed to forget about it. :evil:

Okay, that's a lie, I will never forget.

This is one I've often thought of while reading the HH series, whether about Javier and Eloise, Honor and Paul and later Hamish, or even the non-romantic deep and abiding love between someone like Honor and Alastair.

Richard Lovelace
----------------

Tell me not, sweet, I am unkind,
That from the nunnery
Of thy chaste breast and quiet mind
To war and arms I fly.

True, a new mistress now I chase,
The first foe in the field;
And with a stronger faith embrace,
A sword, a horse, a shield.

Yet this inconstancy is such
As thou too shalt adore;
I could not love thee, dear, so much,
Loved I not honor more.


I will continue to be bitter about Javier UNTIL THE HEAT DEATH OF THE UNIVERSE.

This is not an exaggeration.

And yes, "To Lucasta" has always struck me as incredibly appropriate for these two. To the extent that their relationship has a defining trait, it is "loved I not Honor more."

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to crawl into a corner and weep buckets over these two. Again. :cry: :cry: :cry:
~*~


I serve at the pleasure of President Pritchart.

Javier & Eloise
"You'll remember me when the west wind moves upon the fields of barley..."
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Re: To Javier, From Eloise
Post by Jacob Zavala   » Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:55 pm

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roseandheather wrote:
I will continue to be bitter about Javier UNTIL THE HEAT DEATH OF THE UNIVERSE.



Well, at least you know it will stop someday, I guess!
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Re: To Javier, From Eloise
Post by pappilon   » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:33 pm

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Jacob Zavala wrote:
roseandheather wrote:
I will continue to be bitter about Javier UNTIL THE HEAT DEATH OF THE UNIVERSE.



Well, at least you know it will stop someday, I guess!


Egads Man! Have you no shame? Jes' hesh yo mouf. The Lady's in eternal mourning.
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The imagination has to be trained into foresight and empathy.
Ursula K. LeGuinn

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Re: To Javier, From Eloise
Post by CmdrAthenaAprilist   » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:34 pm

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Jacob Zavala wrote:
roseandheather wrote:
I will continue to be bitter about Javier UNTIL THE HEAT DEATH OF THE UNIVERSE.



Well, at least you know it will stop someday, I guess!


It certainly p****d me off when I read that part of the story! Andreas' was close to that as well. Strangely, neither Alister's or Andrew's affected me as much, probably because they died doing their duty (which I know was also true for the others, but go figure!). The one pair of minor characters I wish we could have gotten to know better were Roslee Orndorf & Banshee- I wanted to see how a different adopted pair navigated Naval service!
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Re: To Javier, From Eloise
Post by ywing14   » Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:56 pm

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I am not bitter about Javier's death. I think it added a lot to the storyline. Especially since his death came as a surprise. I felt like Alistar's death was coming since it had become clear DW wasn't going to be able to close out Honor's storyline in this book. If there is any character I miss the most it is Andreas.
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Re: To Javier, From Eloise
Post by jchilds   » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:41 am

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Hmmmm. I almost expected to see a rose original in Eloise's voice titled Finish my Name.
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