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Re: (SPOILERS) Uncomprisingly good
Post by JohnRoth   » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:44 pm

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feyhunde wrote:
Keith_w wrote:The way I read it was that the MAlign wanted to take the Harrington line into the MA, not that the Harrington line was part of it. If you like, they were regretting a lost opportunity. I think that if the Harringtons had been part of the MA, they would not have survived the move to Sphinx.


The way I read it was at least a previous generation of Harringtons were MAlign members, but either Richard rejected it during the move to Sphinx, or Richard was deemed unsuitable for membership and they planned to recruit his children.


In thinking about this, remember that the Harringtons all have the Meyerdhal B heavy planet genetic package, which is a locked genetic mod - that is, it's inherited in an all-or-nothing fashion. So if they also have a 300-year-old version of the Mesan Alpha mods, then either it's a special version that was integrated into their version of the Meyerdhal B mods, or it's somehow compatible.

I wonder what the treecats think of this, since they like the Harringtons, but seem to not particularly like other Mesan lines.
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Re: (SPOILERS) Uncomprisingly good
Post by Joat42   » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:28 pm

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JohnRoth wrote:..snip..
I wonder what the treecats think of this, since they like the Harringtons, but seem to not particularly like other Mesan lines.

Uhm, an asshole is still an asshole regardless of genetics and so far I don't think we have run across many people belonging to one of the Mesan lines but unaware of it and the MAlign.

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Re: (SPOILERS) Uncomprisingly good
Post by Kensai   » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:29 pm

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just finished the EArc and I am pleasantly surprised on a few things...

Annoyed about one or two...

And downright happy a fear was baseless.

I look forward to the next part of this saga, whenever it is.

Some very good quotes in this one. And not all of them Harrington's either. Which I think is a damn good thing.
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Re: (SPOILERS) Uncomprisingly good
Post by Frankjg   » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:23 pm

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What a book!!!!

Enjoyed it outright. :D :D :D

Cannot wait too see what the future brings.

Harrington line a misplaced malign alpha line. What a shocker. Didn't see this coming. Oh My Oh My. What a bomb this is when or if it comes out. What other lines have they lost over time?

10 stars out 5.
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Re: (SPOILERS) Uncomprisingly good
Post by Bruno Behrends   » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:31 pm

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I love the book. I have some minor issues here and there but overall love it.

That Honor on her paternal side turns out to come from a lost Alpha line is a cool development!

With the maternal half of her family descended from Beowulf 'royalty' and having been a Detweiler nemesis in ages past the whole thing ends up being a family quarrel after all - a 1000-year family quarrel on a galactic scale.

Storywise that is a good thing IMO: I like space battles as much as the next guy but that the story becomes more personal and character-driven ups suspense and drama and heightens anticipation for the final head-on collision of the two long-split 'family' factions.
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Re: (SPOILERS) Uncomprisingly good
Post by Peter2   » Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:00 pm

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I wonder if any trace was left of the MAlign's silver dart? The odds must be heavily against it, but I can't help speculating "What if . . . . ?"

Simoes must at the very least be in the process of briefing the techies about the streak drive (if he hasn't already finished), and if there could just be enough of the dart left to leave a clue or two about how the spider drive works, then there's a chance of making detectors for it.

Then there's the killer nanotech. It is probably triggered by a mental process of some sort, so one approach could be to identify one of the MAlign team, and introduce anaesthetic gas into his/her bedroom when the subject is asleep. Triggering is unlikely if the subject remains unconscious. I wouldn't know precisely how to proceed from there, but Beowulf has some very good biologists. They would be unhappy about it, but it's possible that they might not have excessive qualms about doing some fairly detailed investigation into one the crew responsible for the deaths of millions of their compatriots, especially if the outcome is that the nanotech is inactivated and the subject remains alive.
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Re: (SPOILERS) Uncomprisingly good
Post by phillies   » Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:12 pm

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Congratulations on finishing a 25-year our time story arc.

Perhaps it is now time to break out another of the story ideas you presented to Jim Baen, may he rest in peace, all those years ago?

Perhaps something different? Horatio Hornblower rises again, except he is a Spanish Captain with a woman in every port, his corrupt superiors being a major challenge as he sails the Caribbean, smiting successfully the English at every turn, finally riding into battle on a white horse, fortunately at a spry young age of four score and ten, is support of one of the revolutions for freedom in South America? They did, after all, manage someplace in there to stage what is likely the last classic Napoleonic battle, iirc in Argentina in 1847 or so.
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Re: (SPOILERS) Uncomprisingly good
Post by gsoumakis   » Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:02 pm

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How did people read the book? was it send as a review copy?


Congratulations on a great store.

thank you :)
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Re: (SPOILERS) Uncomprisingly good
Post by Duckk   » Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:11 pm

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Advance reader copy. There’s a link to it on the front page announcement.
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Re: (SPOILERS) Uncomprisingly good
Post by Bluestrike2   » Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:28 pm

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ywing14 wrote:I don't know that I really agree with the Alignment that "Honor should be one of them". Sure I can see the argument that she started out as an Alpha Line. But that was hundreds of years ago. Sure parts of that heritage are passed on, but that ignores the fact that Honor is just as much a product of the unaltered genes which have been added since as the Alpha Line has reproduced outside the Alignment.


I think that's more a consequence of the Alignment's own biases than anything else. For literally centuries, the MA has labored under the perception that they've been persecuted by the galaxy for their beliefs on genetic enhancement of human beings. They've labored for those same centuries to build a plan that would effectively burn the galaxy down around them so they can rise from the ashes and take over from the normals.

From everything we've seen, they've taken the idea of genetic predetermination to an insane level of zealotry that's unsupported by any scientific basis. The entire notion of distinct "genetic lines"--as if we're talking about different types of Coca-Cola--is a fantasy that's a gross oversimplification of behavioral genetics. When you look at how the MA pursued separate Alpha, Beta, Gamma, and Slave lines, it's abundantly clear that their ideology is less about genetic improvement of the human species and more about a genetic caste system and power structure.

As an aside, the slave lines themselves are a pretty damned good example of just how flawed their approach is. After all, Manpower has to use repeated rape and torture to "condition" their pleasure slaves. And there are a lot of pissed off ex-slaves in the Honorverse. If the MA could use genetics to finely tune a person's personality based on genetics, Manpower would be selling slaves who are happy and content with their enslavement.

Taken together, it's really no surprise that they view Honor Harrington as someone who "should be one of them." They're predisposed to believe that genetics dictate everything, while cognitive dissonance helps them ignore any role Honor's own life experiences and environment might have played in her becoming such a competent naval tactician. They can't help but see themselves as responsible for Honor's successes, much as they'd prefer they didn't happen.
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