Remaining holes in SLN intel

cthia wrote:

UH wrote:The one thing we know for certain about what happened to Eleventh Fleet is that it got the holy living hell kicked out of it. I have no intention of allowing that to happen to my task force. Is that understood?”

That's the only thing Admiral Capriotti knows, for certain? SLN intel isn't the main problem. Lame brained membranes is the problem. Well, the snippet answers one of my previous questions about where on the IQ line the next CO of SLN notoriety will be placed.

< Byng < Crandall < Filareta

Certainly < Filareta. Are there no Salamander counterparts in the SLN? No Theismans, no White Havens, no Matthews, no Henkes, no Trumans, no Forakers?

Oh my! They've only got Youngs, Santinos and Byngs and things!

ldwechsler wrote:

Not precisely true. Their problem is that they haven't been fighting. As a result, the top positions are all held by people who haven't really fought. You can have incompetents but you can also have good administrators and people with serious human relations skills.

But none of them have done real fighting. Certainly not against foes that have at least equal tech and fighting power. And we have seen a couple of good ones. But they are inexperienced.

Remember that MAlign chose Byng, Crandall and Filareta. They wanted incompetents for the first two. With Filareta, he might have had a chance but they made certain he didn't.

ldwechsler wrote:

Not precisely true. Their problem is that they haven't been fighting. As a result, the top positions are all held by people who haven't really fought. You can have incompetents but you can also have good administrators and people with serious human relations skills.

But none of them have done real fighting. Certainly not against foes that have at least equal tech and fighting power. And we have seen a couple of good ones. But they are inexperienced.

Remember that MAlign chose Byng, Crandall and Filareta. They wanted incompetents for the first two. With Filareta, he might have had a chance but they made certain he didn't.

Theemile wrote:Also, the current policies don't reward the White Havens and the Salamanders. Name one time were we have seen an SLN independent command? or a squadron not following strict orders from at least a regional commander?

Political adroitness is more important than tactical or strategic skill in the SLN. Having the skills without the political polish just manufactures enemies, much like Honor did in her early career. So most likely, a lot of talent has had it's career stalled because it was never allowed to prove itself.

And then there are connections - In the SLN, without those your career will grind to a halt as well. Remember the PRN situation before the revolt? Theisman would never be able to rise above the rank of Captain because we wasn't a legislaturalist. In the Pre-war RMN - Honor only got moved forward as fast as she did (read, slower than those with family connections) because of Couvousier and White Haven's oversite. In the SLN, if you don't have family connections, no one pushes your name during the upgrade boards, meaning you upgrade slowly.

lyonheart wrote:Hi ldwechsler,

Good to read your posts too.

Nit: One Sag-C could probably kill at least 22-24 SLN/FF BC's, if not many more heavy and light cruisers, not just 2, given a warload of 1320 Mk-16's, not counting 40 pods [14@] tractored for another 10 or so BC's at least for 1880 total Mk-16's; though Tamaguchi thought Tremaine's "200" [23-24 pods=207-216 missiles] could destroy all 16 of his ships in a single volley, granted they were MDM's, but they are comparable though we don't have an exact ratio to figure.


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Indeed given a density of some ~1781 member systems spread across approximately 23.8 million cubic LY's means an average radius of 14.726 LY, or about 4 days apart traveling in the lower Eta bands; so 100 TG's ( from ~50 hyper termini) could visit 18 systems each in 11-12 weeks with an average of up to 16 hours spent in each system negotiating or remonstrating before the TG moves on, while a followup TG/F then provides more continuous protection etc, or an average of 25 hours per system if more time is needed to bring it to 13 weeks [or 24 hours each for 90 days].


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Definitely interesting times.

L

runsforcelery wrote:

lyonheart wrote:Hi ldwechsler,

Good to read your posts too.

Nit: One Sag-C could probably kill at least 22-24 SLN/FF BC's, if not many more heavy and light cruisers, not just 2, given a warload of 1320 Mk-16's, not counting 40 pods [14@] tractored for another 10 or so BC's at least for 1880 total Mk-16's; though Tamaguchi thought Tremaine's "200" [23-24 pods=207-216 missiles] could destroy all 16 of his ships in a single volley, granted they were MDM's, but they are comparable though we don't have an exact ratio to figure.


<SNIP>

Indeed given a density of some ~1781 member systems spread across approximately 23.8 million cubic LY's means an average radius of 14.726 LY, or about 4 days apart traveling in the lower Eta bands; so 100 TG's ( from ~50 hyper termini) could visit 18 systems each in 11-12 weeks with an average of up to 16 hours spent in each system negotiating or remonstrating before the TG moves on, while a followup TG/F then provides more continuous protection etc, or an average of 25 hours per system if more time is needed to bring it to 13 weeks [or 24 hours each for 90 days].


<SNIP>

Definitely interesting times.

L

And you guys say I get lost in the weeds?

cthia wrote:

UH wrote:The one thing we know for certain about what happened to Eleventh Fleet is that it got the holy living hell kicked out of it. I have no intention of allowing that to happen to my task force. Is that understood?”

That's the only thing Admiral Capriotti knows, for certain? SLN intel isn't the main problem. Lame brained membranes is the problem. Well, the snippet answers one of my previous questions about where on the IQ line the next CO of SLN notoriety will be placed.

< Byng < Crandall < Filareta

Certainly < Filareta. Are there no Salamander counterparts in the SLN? No Theismans, no White Havens, no Matthews, no Henkes, no Trumans, no Forakers?

Oh my! They've only got Youngs, Santinos and Byngs and things!

cthia wrote:

UH wrote:The one thing we know for certain about what happened to Eleventh Fleet is that it got the holy living hell kicked out of it. I have no intention of allowing that to happen to my task force. Is that understood?”

That's the only thing Admiral Capriotti knows, for certain? SLN intel isn't the main problem. Lame brained membranes is the problem. Well, the snippet answers one of my previous questions about where on the IQ line the next CO of SLN notoriety will be placed.

< Byng < Crandall < Filareta

Fireflair wrote:Maybe once Honor thins the crowd at the top out some they'll begin to show up.