BEOWULF - THE KARMA SUITSYA

pappilon wrote:

cthia wrote:
Kong has never been accused of being inconsistent or willing to play by the rules.

Oh, no argument. Just the last previous textev we had wan Kolkotlov saying, "lets not go down the treason path ... just yet."
I guess it is now yet.

And/or the simple fact that he's not operating inside a vacuum; although the League as a whole seems to be living in a vacuum. Treason seems to be a notion tossed about quite a bit inside the League...

UH wrote:“I have two separate sources who each tell me Barregos has met directly with representatives of Manticore,” Nyhus said flatly.

For a moment, Ukhtomskoy was certain he’d misunderstood. Then he straightened in his chair.

“What did you say?”

“I said I have two separate reports that Barregos is meeting with the Manties.” Nyhus shook his head, blue eyes worried. “Separate reports from two different sources, Adão. And neither one of the sources knows about the other.”

Ukhtomskoy’s jaw tightened at the implication.

“I wouldn’t have been in such a rush to tell you about it if it was only one report,” Nyhus continued. “But when I’ve got two separate channels confirming each other, I’ve got to take it seriously.”

“Are you suggesting Oravil Barregos is contemplating treason?”

“I don’t know what he’s contemplating,” Nyhus shot back with an unusual note of frustration. “All I know is that I have usually reliable sources telling me he’s talking to Manties. And, frankly, it worries me a lot more than it might have otherwise because of all the other reports I’ve been getting — and sharing with you — about Manticoran involvement in stirring up the Fringe.”

Another old League member "possibly" contemplating bolting gets labeled treasonous?

cthia wrote:
Another old League member "possibly" contemplating bolting gets labeled treasonous?

Just to quibble, the Maya sector is still a protectorate, Barregos is the OFS governor. Yes, per the terms of their "enslavement" they get to approve any gubernatorial appointment, and they maintain nominal local autonomy. But intervention battallions are still only a fomenting revolution away.

And the irregular conjugation of Treason seems to be "what I'm doing is strictly regulation." What you're doing is ...SOP."
"what he's doing is definitely treason."

pappilon wrote:

cthia wrote:
Another old League member "possibly" contemplating bolting gets labeled treasonous?

Just to quibble, the Maya sector is still a protectorate, Barregos is the OFS governor. Yes, per the terms of their "enslavement" they get to approve any gubernatorial appointment, and they maintain nominal local autonomy. But intervention battallions are still only a fomenting revolution away.

And the irregular conjugation of Treason seems to be "what I'm doing is strictly regulation." What you're doing is ...SOP."
"what he's doing is definitely treason."

Remember Harrington's statement (John Harrington) about why treason never prospers. If it does, none dare call it treason.

Note that if some definitions given here are true, we Americans are all traitors to Britain.

THE 800# DICTIONARY...

treason

noun

in compliance or in crosshairs.

Can you imagine the infectious vitriol that must have been spewed at the meeting that okayed kinetic strikes? Pounding on the table, followed by spittle and...

"DAMMIT! BEOWULF IS TREASONOUS! A FEW KEWS IS REASONOUS!"

cthia wrote:Can you imagine the infectious vitriol that must have been spewed at the meeting that okayed kinetic strikes? Pounding on the table, followed by spittle and...

"DAMMIT! BEOWULF IS TREASONOUS! A FEW KEWS IS REASONOUS!"

I think that's an enormous leap to make at this juncture.

My guess is that the Beowulf strike is unintentional on the part of the SL. It will very much be due to MAlign interference.

munroburton wrote:

cthia wrote:Can you imagine the infectious vitriol that must have been spewed at the meeting that okayed kinetic strikes? Pounding on the table, followed by spittle and...

"DAMMIT! BEOWULF IS TREASONOUS! A FEW KEWS IS REASONOUS!"

I think that's an enormous leap to make at this juncture.

My guess is that the Beowulf strike is unintentional on the part of the SL. It will very much be due to MAlign interference.

And the Mandarins have been blind to MAlign influence. We've had people accusing Zilwicki of war crimes because he aided seccies who eventually had one of their number setting off a bomb.

Yet the Mandarins, who have laughed off the influence of MAlign for at least a generation, seem immune.

munroburton wrote:

cthia wrote:Can you imagine the infectious vitriol that must have been spewed at the meeting that okayed kinetic strikes? Pounding on the table, followed by spittle and...

"DAMMIT! BEOWULF IS TREASONOUS! A FEW KEWS IS REASONOUS!"

I think that's an enormous leap to make at this juncture.

My guess is that the Beowulf strike is unintentional on the part of the SL. It will very much be due to MAlign interference.

I know that is the collective stance of most everyone in the forum. If I had to, I'd bet on the same color at the roulette wheel as well. However, as I've stated before, if that happens, the SLN will not be without their share of the blame. What are they really doing in the system? They're making it easy for the MAlign to manipulate them. Do they really believe that Manticore is coercing, strong arming Beowulf? The two are in love for goodness sakes. Manticore and Beowulf are star struck lovers, soul mates. They're a better fit.

At any rate, are we really to believe that they drove all the way there with the intentions to be nice and accept the results of the referendum no matter the outcome? They can't sell me that swampland.

The tension between the RMN and SLN has been so volatile since Byng, that they spontaneously combust within a light-year of each other! Especially with ignorance and arrogance heaped onto the pile.

The SLN has no business at all in system under the circumstances. How would that work anyways, both of the Goliaths hovering around in orbit? No way. They'd be pulling their hair out and biting their nails, ready to blow each other into orbital debris at the screech of a cat or sound of a fart. There's no way any Manty ship will allow itself into close proximity of a Solly with sidewalls down. But that would be confrontational.

Remember Star Trek?...

"Raise shields keptin?"

"Raise shields keptin?"

Poor Sulu was sweating bullets in The Wrath of Khan. Regulations are regulations, but common sense trumps it.

Which means the RMN might simply hangout in-system in lieu of hovering too close to the arrogant, temperamental maniac in orbit. Preventing them from getting to the offending Solly ship before they do damage to the planet, either intentionally or by Malign design.

Always remember the human element.

cthia wrote:

munroburton wrote:Can you imagine the infectious vitriol that must have been spewed at the meeting that okayed kinetic strikes? Pounding on the table, followed by spittle and...

"DAMMIT! BEOWULF IS TREASONOUS! A FEW KEWS IS REASONOUS!"

I think that's an enormous leap to make at this juncture.

My guess is that the Beowulf strike is unintentional on the part of the SL. It will very much be due to MAlign interference.

I know that is the collective stance of most everyone in the forum. If I had to, I'd bet on the same color at the roulette wheel as well. However, as I've stated before, if that happens, the SLN will not be without their share of the blame. What are they really doing in the system? They're making it easy for the MAlign to manipulate them. Do they really believe that Manticore is coercing, strong arming Beowulf? The two are in love for goodness sakes. Manticore and Beowulf are star struck lovers, soul mates. They're a better fit.

At any rate, are we really to believe that they drove all the way there with the intentions to be nice and accept the results of the referendum no matter the outcome? They can't sell me that swampland.

The tension between the RMN and SLN has been so volatile since Byng, that they spontaneously combust within a light-year of each other! Especially with ignorance and arrogance heaped onto the pile.

The SLN has no business at all in system under the circumstances. How would that work anyways, both of the Goliaths hovering around in orbit? No way. They'd be pulling their hair out and biting their nails, ready to blow each other into orbital debris at the screech of a cat or sound of a fart. There's no way any Manty ship will allow itself into close proximity of a Solly with sidewalls down. But that would be confrontational.

Remember Star Trek?...

"Raise shields keptin?"

"Raise shields keptin?"

Poor Sulu was sweating bullets in The Wrath of Khan. Regulations are regulations, but common sense trumps it.

Which means the RMN might simply hangout in-system in lieu of hovering too close to the arrogant, temperamental maniac in orbit. Preventing them from getting to the offending Solly ship before they do damage to the planet, either intentionally or by Malign design.

Always remember the human element.[/quote]

I love the phrase about the SLN "Share of the blame." Right. The Sollies have been in the middle of a lot of garbage for centuries.

Individual planets seem to have no rights. No one has rights except perhaps for a few very rich folk who can give large bribes.

Recall one of the Analects of Confusius. A group of workers took a quick break at the side of the road. One asked the others, "What is the penalty for being late to work?" The answer was "Death."

The next question was "What is the penalty for rebellion?" Again the answer was death.

The first guy then said, "Hate to tell you all but we're already late."

So there was rebellion.

Same for the League. How can there be treason when there is no choice?

Eventually this will late to the destruction of the Mandarins...or at least the ones currently in power. What happens later could be very interesting.

cthia wrote:

munroburton wrote:Can you imagine the infectious vitriol that must have been spewed at the meeting that okayed kinetic strikes? Pounding on the table, followed by spittle and...

"DAMMIT! BEOWULF IS TREASONOUS! A FEW KEWS IS REASONOUS!"

I think that's an enormous leap to make at this juncture.

My guess is that the Beowulf strike is unintentional on the part of the SL. It will very much be due to MAlign interference.

I know that is the collective stance of most everyone in the forum. If I had to, I'd bet on the same color at the roulette wheel as well. However, as I've stated before, if that happens, the SLN will not be without their share of the blame. What are they really doing in the system? They're making it easy for the MAlign to manipulate them. Do they really believe that Manticore is coercing, strong arming Beowulf? The two are in love for goodness sakes. Manticore and Beowulf are star struck lovers, soul mates. They're a better fit.

At any rate, are we really to believe that they drove all the way there with the intentions to be nice and accept the results of the referendum no matter the outcome? They can't sell me that swampland.

The tension between the RMN and SLN has been so volatile since Byng, that they spontaneously combust within a light-year of each other! Especially with ignorance and arrogance heaped onto the pile.

The SLN has no business at all in system under the circumstances. How would that work anyways, both of the Goliaths hovering around in orbit? No way. They'd be pulling their hair out and biting their nails, ready to blow each other into orbital debris at the screech of a cat or sound of a fart. There's no way any Manty ship will allow itself into close proximity of a Solly with sidewalls down. But that would be confrontational.

Remember Star Trek?...

"Raise shields keptin?"

"Raise shields keptin?"

Poor Sulu was sweating bullets in The Wrath of Khan. Regulations are regulations, but common sense trumps it.

Which means the RMN might simply hangout in-system in lieu of hovering too close to the arrogant, temperamental maniac in orbit. Preventing them from getting to the offending Solly ship before they do damage to the planet, either intentionally or by Malign design.

Always remember the human element.[/quote]

I love the phrase about the SLN "Share of the blame." Right. The Sollies have been in the middle of a lot of garbage for centuries.

Individual planets seem to have no rights. No one has rights except perhaps for a few very rich folk who can give large bribes.

Recall one of the Analects of Confusius. A group of workers took a quick break at the side of the road. One asked the others, "What is the penalty for being late to work?" The answer was "Death."

The next question was "What is the penalty for rebellion?" Again the answer was death.

The first guy then said, "Hate to tell you all but we're already late."

So there was rebellion.

Same for the League. How can there be treason when there is no choice?

Eventually this will late to the destruction of the Mandarins...or at least the ones currently in power. What happens later could be very interesting.