Nuncio's Windfall.

Frankjg wrote:It would be interesting to see what they did with that ship.

No, it wouldn't. Strip it of anything and everything not welded to the bulkhead and half the stuff that is, Maybe pull the computer. end the hulking hull to the breakers or send it into a terminal orbit with the sun.

Not sure that the freighter is reparable after our Miss Owens got finished strafing it. Besides, wouldn't the legitimate owner have a claim to it?

pappilon wrote:

Frankjg wrote:It would be interesting to see what they did with that ship.

No, it wouldn't. Strip it of anything and everything not welded to the bulkhead and half the stuff that is, Maybe pull the computer. end the hulking hull to the breakers or send it into a terminal orbit with the sun.

Not sure that the freighter is reparable after our Miss Owens got finished strafing it. Besides, wouldn't the legitimate owner have a claim to it?

She took out the hyper generator with a laser, which punched a hole through the outer hull, and possibly several other bulkheads. At worst, the Hyper generator needs replaced, then it needs replaced.

As for who owns it, they will need to speak to a maritime lawyer and the previous owner's insurance company

On the SLMS Emerald Dawn, it still belongs to the company that owns it because it is not salvage. The remaining crew was still aboard when it was recaptured by elements of the RMN/GSN and NSF. The Nuncian government can charge reasonable fees in the recovery of the ship and impound it as evidence in the pending trial, but once the trial and appeals are over and the fees paid it can be returned to the owners.

saber964 wrote:On the SLMS Emerald Dawn, it still belongs to the company that owns it because it is not salvage. The remaining crew was still aboard when it was recaptured by elements of the RMN/GSN and NSF. The Nuncian government can charge reasonable fees in the recovery of the ship and impound it as evidence in the pending trial, but once the trial and appeals are over and the fees paid it can be returned to the owners.

If the insurers total it because of the cost to replace the hyper-generators, Nuncio can buy it for "scrap" and salvage the military hyper-generator and particle shields from PNE Anhur.

If the status of SLMS Emerald Dawn hasn't been resolved in the two+ years since her liberation, the state of war with the SL might mean the ship could be impounded and sold off as a war-prize.

saber964 wrote:On the SLMS Emerald Dawn, it still belongs to the company that owns it because it is not salvage. The remaining crew was still aboard when it was recaptured by elements of the RMN/GSN and NSF. The Nuncian government can charge reasonable fees in the recovery of the ship and impound it as evidence in the pending trial, but once the trial and appeals are over and the fees paid it can be returned to the owners.

I'm not so sure about that. Oh, normally, you're right. No question about it. But we don't know how long that trial needs or how fast the owners got info about the vessel, how fast they decided, what should be happen with it and so on. It is at least in the realm of possibility that it was not finally decided and acted upon that decision at the time Byng came calling and started the current "unpleasentness".

So, in light of these events, maybe the new government in the Talbott quadrant likes to ... hold back the ship and/or its crew - simply in regard of the personal safety of the crew and the safety of the ship. After all, war is such a dangerous business to be trapped into for any unarmored Merchant vessel, isn't it? Better to stay in a safe harbor like Nuncio, which is protected by the RMN, Don't you think?

Eagleeye wrote:

saber964 wrote:On the SLMS Emerald Dawn, it still belongs to the company that owns it because it is not salvage. The remaining crew was still aboard when it was recaptured by elements of the RMN/GSN and NSF. The Nuncian government can charge reasonable fees in the recovery of the ship and impound it as evidence in the pending trial, but once the trial and appeals are over and the fees paid it can be returned to the owners.

I'm not so sure about that. Oh, normally, you're right. No question about it. But we don't know how long that trial needs or how fast the owners got info about the vessel, how fast they decided, what should be happen with it and so on. It is at least in the realm of possibility that it was not finally decided and acted upon that decision at the time Byng came calling and started the current "unpleasentness".

So, in light of these events, maybe the new government in the Talbott quadrant likes to ... hold back the ship and/or its crew - simply in regard of the personal safety of the crew and the safety of the ship. After all, war is such a dangerous business to be trapped into for any unarmored Merchant vessel, isn't it? Better to stay in a safe harbor like Nuncio, which is protected by the RMN, Don't you think?

Your forgetting that the PNE personnel were handed over to the Republic of Haven for trial. IIRC it was stated in another book that the PNE were handed over through Erewon. Also IIRC the logs and personal diary of Cliget(?) was sufficient for the death penalty for most of officers and crew. Also the Emerald Dawn was likely impounded once war was declared.

Let's think about what systems or components are still whole and operable aboard what is RHNS Anhur.

Things, if not something operable right as is, are available to be dismantled and reverse engineered for study.

The plug and play module. While this has been harped on as something to offset the poor education of the average Havenite conscripted naval rating, it has an advantage. A system easier to repair if you are able to pull it out and put in something that works under stress like, say combat. Another, that a system would have the ability to be incrementally upgraded, thus extending the useful service life.

RADAR/LIDAR tracking components. Anyone with any system defense needs to protect what it fields. Pulling these from the hull for reverse engineering and having the computers to run simulations on the NSN (Nuncio System Navy?) gets a leg up on the new reality of missiles in the current era.

Electronic Warfare Systems. Even the second line stuff is light years ahead of the SLN, and any pirates operating in the Verge. Studying these first hand is a benefit.

The Havenite Military Grade compensator. The hulk isn't going anywhere. Pulling this out and dismantling for study with all the manuals and technical material available too jump starts local manufacture of their own and probably better civilian grade ones too.

Environmental/waste recycling. These are big and omplex systmes and get only worse with sxale. Having suh a large system to look at boosts knowledge in future habitats and ships of their own.

The Simulators... Using the systems as a base others like Space Traffic control, orbital smelting, and fleet or squadron exercises is a start. The goes over to civilian uses like pilot training or advanced education in STEM fields.



Now, when, if ever is Nuncio going to get this great big whopping, all encompassing, I told you it would happen uplift program?

Next year? In five years? 20 years? Never, ever.

Manticore lost all that manufacturing with the losses at Yawata, the fleet engagement with Filareta, and more.

They don't have a surplus to be generous with to poor, back of beyond, 200 years behind, simple people like the half billion of Nuncio.

Moreover, the Grayson package was NOT a gift. That was a trade deal and Grayson worked hard to pay for it.

Using either as a reason for why Nuncio would not or could not use the RHNS Anhur to locally advance themselves is at best a logical fallacy based more on entrenched opinion than fact.

ArmySGT. wrote:The Havenite Military Grade compensator. The hulk isn't going anywhere. Pulling this out and dismantling for study with all the manuals and technical material available too jump starts local manufacture of their own and probably better civilian grade ones too.

Two things on this in item in particular. 1) Haven's breakthroughs in compensation appear to have happened after Buttercup era, well into the ceasefire. This non-upgraded early Mars-B is almost guaranteed to have a pre-ceasfire compensator. IOW the same military compensator people have been using universe wide for the decades.

2) Nuncio doesn't seem to lack access to military compensators. Remember that their LACs had significantly better acceleration than any classic LAC we've seen; almost as good as the LACs Honor took to Silesia despite the Nuncian LACs being about 50% more massive.

Jonathan_S wrote:

ArmySGT. wrote:The Havenite Military Grade compensator. The hulk isn't going anywhere. Pulling this out and dismantling for study with all the manuals and technical material available too jump starts local manufacture of their own and probably better civilian grade ones too.

Two things on this in item in particular. 1) Haven's breakthroughs in compensation appear to have happened after Buttercup era, well into the ceasefire. This non-upgraded early Mars-B is almost guaranteed to have a pre-ceasfire compensator. IOW the same military compensator people have been using universe wide for the decades.

2) Nuncio doesn't seem to lack access to military compensators. Remember that their LACs had significantly better acceleration than any classic LAC we've seen; almost as good as the LACs Honor took to Silesia despite the Nuncian LACs being about 50% more massive.

I doubt that Nuncio has the capacity to build anything. At best, they can perform maintenance on their LACs, probably with techs trained outside the system, using parts also imported.

Their immediate task is to focus on quality of life issues planet side, especially improving the educational system which will produce scientists and engineers that will eventually enable then to build spaceships. In the meantime, the LAC wings of the RMN will take care of Nincio's defensive needs and begin to assist in training motivated young people for naval service, along with imparting skills useful in the civilian economy.

These are not primitives, but they are economically poor and badly behind technologically. In that situation, do what most badly needs to be done first. That is not dink around with wrecked, obsolete warships. Doing anything beyond salvaging the wreck for things of immediate utility would be a waste of resources needed elsewhere.

Don

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Ok, sure. Replace the reactor that could fail at any moment with no warning whatsoever. tow it out to some LaGrange point, somewhere out there, turn on all the obsolete passive sensors, maybe beg, borrow, walk off with a few decent Manty drones and use it as a forward operating (DEWline) base. reverse engineering obsolete and garbage tech is ... a waste of time and effort.

We know There is manufacturing in the sector. We know Rembrandt for one is fairly prosperous. Rembrandt and Nuncio are not merely trading partners, or rivals, they are fellow members of The Manticoran Empire.

We have textev that there are Manticoran representatives already seeking alliances with the planets of the Talbott Sector. That aid andassistance is not decades or even forever away. Once it gets started on Spindle, or Rembrandt, or Montana, or anywhere else, Nuncio will have access. Even if the Crown has to make loans available for interim purchases.

We know Admiral Countess Steadholder Alexander-Harrington and her Blackbird corp will be sniffing around foe investment opportunities. Wouldn't her good buddy Stacey Hauptmann also be looking to expand the family business? or even her own accounts? And should her Imperial Highness suggest looking at Nuncio...


This stupid cruiser is not some golden goose, it is some obsolete death trap full of almost worthless junk and aged tech, that would be studied, pored over, reverse-enginered, then scrapped as soon as the sector starts being developed. Which regardless of Manticore's dearth of manufacturing, will be local.

If it was Tiberion and they were interested, then your points would, maybe be valid. But they are not only on the edge of the Spindle sector, they are closest to Meyers. You remember, the planet Mike recently liberated from OFS? yet another source of somewhat newer stuff than pre-Operation Buttercup PRN obsolete junk.