BEOWULF - THE KARMA SUITSYA

n7axw wrote:

cthia wrote:There are international laws governing and protecting the grounds of US Embassies. I would imagine similar intergalactic laws exist in the Honorverse and the Manticoran delegation and Beowulf are counting on the SL honoring and respecting said laws at the moment.

At any rate, the Beowulfan Embassy grounds are "hallowed," within diplomatic immunity. Not that the Mandarins will respect it.

To the Mandarins, more like "hollowed" grounds.

IIRC, the League has never ratified the diplomatic conventions. So the status of Manticore's embassy would be a gray area. It might be different for Beowulf as a League member.

Don

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cthia wrote:One thing seems unlikely. If Manticore had an embassy on Old Earth the same as Beowulf, and the details about Operation Raging Justice was broadcast all over HD before it even kicked off, then why would Manticore need a black back communications channel from Beowulf? If it was all over HD, then Manticore's own embassy was privy.

n7axw wrote:

cthia wrote:One thing seems unlikely. If Manticore had an embassy on Old Earth the same as Beowulf, and the details about Operation Raging Justice was broadcast all over HD before it even kicked off, then why would Manticore need a black back communications channel from Beowulf? If it was all over HD, then Manticore's own embassy was privy.

Manticore knew weeks before it was public knowledge. IIRC, Carmikel (sp) originally learned about it from Manticore, not Old Chicago.

Don

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cthia wrote:One thing seems unlikely. If Manticore had an embassy on Old Earth the same as Beowulf, and the details about Operation Raging Justice was broadcast all over HD before it even kicked off, then why would Manticore need a black back communications channel from Beowulf? If it was all over HD, then Manticore's own embassy was privy.

n7axw wrote:Manticore knew weeks before it was public knowledge. IIRC, Carmikel (sp) originally learned about it from Manticore, not Old Chicago.

Don

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ldwechsler wrote:We probably will never know although you are probably right. Of course, Carmichael might have been the conduit through which the message came. After all, he was close to the people from Beowulf.

UH wrote:Capriotti considered the younger man thoughtfully. Schlegel was TF 783’s intelligence officer. He was also an extremely bright officer and, at only fifty-six T-years old, young for his rank, even in the gold braid-heavy SLN. Unlike altogether too many of his ilk, he brought a skeptic’s eye to any intelligence report that crossed his desk, and Capriotti normally valued his input. He did in this case, as well, actually, but he also remembered that Schlegel considered Beowulf guilty of treason. The commodore fully accepted the argument that Imogene Tsang’s prong of Eleventh Fleet’s disastrous attack would have suffered an even worse slaughter than Massimo Filareta if Beowulf hadn’t stopped her ships from transiting the Beowulf Terminus. However, he also believed — probably with reason, in Capriotti’s opinion — that Beowulf was the source of Manticore’s original intelligence about Operation Raging Justice. And he also believed Beowulf’s “complicity” in Manticore’s obvious swing to a rawly imperialist foreign policy and its evident intention of seceding posed an existential threat to the Solarian League.

cthia wrote:I hate to say I told you so, but in the spirit of the thread, if the slipper fits then it must be Cinderella. This is TF 783's intelligence officer, keeping tune with my sentiment that not simply the Mandarins will be willing to believe that Beowulf's actions were treasonous. Again, I wasn't so much arguing my POV, but how it will certainly be perceived by many in the League.

pappilon wrote:

cthia wrote:I hate to say I told you so, but in the spirit of the thread, if the slipper fits then it must be Cinderella. This is TF 783's intelligence officer, keeping tune with my sentiment that not simply the Mandarins will be willing to believe that Beowulf's actions were treasonous. Again, I wasn't so much arguing my POV, but how it will certainly be perceived by many in the League.

Yes of course the league has its own agenda. So much that would be conflict of interest, or treason or any number of other crimes on some other planetjust don't seem to be relevant on Old Earth. Hypocrisy apparently is no longer a bad thing either.
Again what's the point? Oh yeah, when you're outflanked, out maneuvered, mousetrapped and outgunned, fire DSMs at some innocent 70 odd LYs away planet's civilian targets from beyond the hyper limit and blame Beowulf's treason for making you do it.

You are certainly right. I bow to your prescience.

cthia wrote:
Kong has never been accused of being inconsistent or willing to play by the rules.

pappilon wrote:

cthia wrote:I hate to say I told you so, but in the spirit of the thread, if the slipper fits then it must be Cinderella. This is TF 783's intelligence officer, keeping tune with my sentiment that not simply the Mandarins will be willing to believe that Beowulf's actions were treasonous. Again, I wasn't so much arguing my POV, but how it will certainly be perceived by many in the League.

Yes of course the league has its own agenda. So much that would be conflict of interest, or treason or any number of other crimes on some other planetjust don't seem to be relevant on Old Earth. Hypocrisy apparently is no longer a bad thing either.
Again what's the point? Oh yeah, when you're outflanked, out maneuvered, mousetrapped and outgunned, fire DSMs at some innocent 70 odd LYs away planet's civilian targets from beyond the hyper limit and blame Beowulf's treason for making you do it.

You are certainly right. I bow to your prescience.