BEOWULF - THE KARMA SUITSYA

kzt wrote:

ldwechsler wrote:
Note that there does not seem to be reciprocity. There has never been a mention of a Solarian Embassy on Manticore.

It been mentioned as how it doesn’t exist. The SL government doesn’t have embassies, if you want to talk to the SL you go to Earth, they don’t come to you. Various members of the League maintain embassy’s on Manticore, because the SL doesn’t limit a members ability to negotiate foreign treaties and due to the convienence for their citizens visiting.

pappilon wrote:Nobody wants, or at least not willingly wants, an SL embassy. They are known by their Acronym: OFS.

Side-Splitter Award!

My parents were keen on all of their kids traveling. "It is an education that cannot be found in textbooks."

They taught us to always be aware of the location of the US Embassy wherever we went and how to get there from anywhere in the country. "Always be aware of its location."

The US flag flying overhead is a dead giveaway. There is a criminal element in other countries that can catch you offguard and unawares.

That is why I thought that Embassies on Old Earth would be easy to locate, identify and access. Especially with Old Earth's rampant crime. The idea of Embassies located in apartments is something I never considered and it is amusing and probably practical for one reason or another, but seems impractical for the most part. It is just that I think of the overall responsibility of an Embassy and wonder how an apartment setting would work, strategically.

Remember, embassies may have to hold up against attacks, riots, demonstrations, assaults, simply the overall criminal element. They have to be somewhat fortified against these realities. Once you cross into the territory of an embassy, one wants to feel safe. People do feel safe. I simply do not know how that can be carried out on an apartment setting.

Remember the movie Taken with Liam Neeson, when he and his daughter reached the safe haven of the US Embassy?


I'm simply explaining my baggage; not that it will necessarily make any sense in the Honorverse

There are international laws governing and protecting the grounds of US Embassies. I would imagine similar intergalactic laws exist in the Honorverse and the Manticoran delegation and Beowulf are counting on the SL honoring and respecting said laws at the moment.

At any rate, the Beowulfan Embassy grounds are "hallowed," within diplomatic immunity. Not that the Mandarins will respect it.

To the Mandarins, more like "hollowed" grounds.

cthia wrote:There are international laws governing and protecting the grounds of US Embassies. I would imagine similar intergalactic laws exist in the Honorverse and the Manticoran delegation and Beowulf are counting on the SL honoring and respecting said laws at the moment.

At any rate, the Beowulfan Embassy grounds are "hallowed," within diplomatic immunity. Not that the Mandarins will respect it.

To the Mandarins, more like "hollowed" grounds.

I wuld imagine something like The Watergate. floors of offices and a residence hotel above. that building could serve several planets' embassy and housing needs. The elevators could be keyed for limited access to each planet's residence floors with proper Home Guard (Marines if you must)for security.

But I would also assume that the core worlds have their own embassies.

The "embassy grounds' are only as safe as where they are located permits them to be. An example is the US embassy in Iran. Many other are 'identified' in Wiki.

Whether its a building with integral security or part of an 'apartment' building doesn't matter. DW talks about how the Sol crowds are manipulated. It was also mentioned that the Mandarins wanted to void Beowulf's sovereignty and take Manticore's ambassador.

Might doesn't make right, just possible.

cthia wrote:There are international laws governing and protecting the grounds of US Embassies. I would imagine similar intergalactic laws exist in the Honorverse and the Manticoran delegation and Beowulf are counting on the SL honoring and respecting said laws at the moment.

At any rate, the Beowulfan Embassy grounds are "hallowed," within diplomatic immunity. Not that the Mandarins will respect it.

To the Mandarins, more like "hollowed" grounds.

IIRC, the League has never ratified the diplomatic conventions. So the status of Manticore's embassy would be a gray area. It might be different for Beowulf as a League member.

Don

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n7axw wrote:

cthia wrote:There are international laws governing and protecting the grounds of US Embassies. I would imagine similar intergalactic laws exist in the Honorverse and the Manticoran delegation and Beowulf are counting on the SL honoring and respecting said laws at the moment.

At any rate, the Beowulfan Embassy grounds are "hallowed," within diplomatic immunity. Not that the Mandarins will respect it.

To the Mandarins, more like "hollowed" grounds.

IIRC, the League has never ratified the diplomatic conventions. So the status of Manticore's embassy would be a gray area. It might be different for Beowulf as a League member.

Don

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When a whole planet wants you, there is no place to hide. Of course, the Mandarins have to know that if they kill or even hurt the ambassador, they might well have to answer for it.

If forced to surrender, they will be questioned. They might not realize that treecats would be present, but it would be awkward to say the least if there were a whole group of dead Manticorans.

ldwechsler wrote:
When a whole planet wants you, there is no place to hide. Of course, the Mandarins have to know that if they kill or even hurt the ambassador, they might well have to answer for it.

If forced to surrender, they will be questioned. They might not realize that treecats would be present, but it would be awkward to say the least if there were a whole group of dead Manticorans.

Do the Mandarins even know of the existence of treecats? I guess maybe if the video of Honor and Nimitz protecting Benjamin during that assassination attempt ever made it to Earth. Their telempathic abilities may not be such common knowledge. Nevertheless, the possibility of the RMN in particular or the GA in general showing up in control of Earth's orbit has not yet dawned on them.

The possibility of accountability is so laughably, yea patently absurd the thought has never entered their big intelligent brains.

pappilon wrote:
Do the Mandarins even know of the existence of treecats? I guess maybe if the video of Honor and Nimitz protecting Benjamin during that assassination attempt ever made it to Earth. Their telempathic abilities may not be such common knowledge. Nevertheless, the possibility of the RMN in particular or the GA in general showing up in control of Earth's orbit has not yet dawned on them.

The possibility of accountability is so laughably, yea patently absurd the thought has never entered their big intelligent brains.

They know, both about treecats and their telempathic abilities. There's textev in ART to that effect

A Rising Thunder, chapter 27 wrote:“You know, that’s what bothers me the most,” Wodoslawski admitted. “It was Pritchart who brought this to the Manties, not the other way around. I agree it’s nonsense, but if Haven really believes it—”

“I’d just point out to you that according to the fairy tale they’ve been spinning, it was Zilwicki and Victor Cachat who brought this Simões home from Mesa,” Abruzzi said, and rolled his eyes. “I’m sure all of us remember what a loose warhead Zilwicki was right here in Old Chicago when he claimed Manpower had kidnapped his daughter. I don’t think anyone’s going to call him a disinterested witness where anything to do with Mesa is involved! For that matter, if there’s one scrap of truth to Mesa’s version of Green Pines, Zilwicki would have every conceivable reason to come up with some far-fetched story about centuries-long conspiracies as a way to cover up his own guilt! And then there’s Cachat, who’s been spending the last couple of T-years getting further and further into bed with the Audubon Ballroom through his cronies in Verdant Vista, and who appears to have been with Zilwicki in Green Pines. Another sterling, utterly trustworthy character witness against Mesa! And, as the cherry on top, it’s the Manties’ treecats’ supposed ability to know when someone is lying that ‘proves’ Simões isn’t.

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ldwechsler wrote:

When a whole planet wants you, there is no place to hide. Of course, the Mandarins have to know that if they kill or even hurt the ambassador, they might well have to answer for it.

If forced to surrender, they will be questioned. They might not realize that treecats would be present, but it would be awkward to say the least if there were a whole group of dead Manticorans.

The core problem with the Mandarins is the that it does not occur to them that they would have to answer for anything...

Don

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