The Trump Administration's War With Reality

gcomeau wrote:

smr wrote:How long was Trump being wiretapped? The logs are their.

Oh REALLY? Show us the Trump wiretap logs. We'll wait.

The text messages between the lead FBI investigator and his girlfriend said that Potus wanted to be kept abreast of the situation.

Sigh.... "the situation" being the counter intelligence investigation into Russian election attacks. That "situation" being both the FBI's job to investigate and the President's job to keep on top of.


It's stunning you think you are laying out some kind of scandal here.

FYI the Judge set aside Flynn's agreeing to plead guilty.

Again, SHOW US. Show us where the judge set aside Flynn's guilty plea.

You are completely full of crap.

The judge delayed the sentencing hearing, AT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S REQUEST, because Flynn isn't done spilling his guts and his sentence depends on how helpful he was as a cooperating witness.

The judge is looking at Prosecutor Misconduct.

SHOW. US. WHERE. HE. IS.


Geez, you are so full of crap I'm mildly amazed you haven't spontaneously burst in a giant crapsplosion.

For God's sake he had to sell his house to pay for lawyers. He's a retired General not a millionaire.

Yeah well maybe he shouldn't have committed the crimes that got him in trouble then. Boo-fucking-hoo.

So far Trump collusion case has produced no indictments on Trump.

It is not the "Trump collusion case".

It is a general investigation into the entire Russian attack on the election, any involvement it may have had with the Trump campaign directly, and whether Trump obstructed justice in attempting to interfere in that investigation.

Spoiler: more indictments are coming.

The Paul Manafort case has nothing to do with Trump that occurred 10 years before. So again, where is the evidence? What has the Special Counsel dug up on Trump? A few girlfriends on the side. A billionaire without a mistress. Just go look at long line of mistresses to our ex-Presidents. Nothing really damming so far but that could always change. If that happens, we will get rid of him.

You do get that Mueller's team has proven basically leak proof and there is no way in hell they are broadcasting anything they have on anyone until they decide it's time to indict that person right? ESPECIALLY if that person is the demonstratedly unstable tantrum throwing president who could try ordering the entire investigation shut down and provoke a constitutional crisis if he gets tipped off something he really doesn't like is coming.


You pointing to them not producing anything on anyone they haven't issued an indictment against *yet* is meaningless.

Just because you can not either follow the paper trail

Non existent imaginary paper trails are notoriously difficult to follow.


We'll all be here waiting for you to show us anything you have been asked to show us...

smr wrote:Who do you think told Trump about the spying...Admiral Rodgers(NSA)! Find out when the first unmasking occurred and was the unmasking before Carter Paige joined the campaign. The real question is a putz like you or me allowed access to that type of information. The answer is "hell no!" Their are others in the government that can access that information but then you would call them partisan or conspiracy theorists or some drivel. Remember you said I was liar that Trump was NEVER wire tapped. Do still believe Trump was not wiretapped?

2) Trump’s claim: President Obama ordered a wiretap on Trump Tower during the election
Comey’s response: “I have no information that supports those tweets, and we have looked carefully inside the FBI.”


Rogers’s response: “I have seen nothing on the NSA side that we have engaged in such activity, nor that anyone ever asked us to engage in such activity.”

gcomeau wrote:

smr wrote:Who do you think told Trump about the spying...Admiral Rodgers(NSA)! Find out when the first unmasking occurred and was the unmasking before Carter Paige joined the campaign. The real question is a putz like you or me allowed access to that type of information. The answer is "hell no!" Their are others in the government that can access that information but then you would call them partisan or conspiracy theorists or some drivel. Remember you said I was liar that Trump was NEVER wire tapped. Do still believe Trump was not wiretapped?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... nsa-rogers

Yep. Because all you just did was spout more fictional nonsense.

No, Rogers did not tell Trump about anyone wiretapping him. Rogers testified under oath that had never happened.

smr wrote:Who do you think told Trump about the spying...Admiral Rodgers(NSA)! Find out when the first unmasking occurred and was the unmasking before Carter Paige joined the campaign. The real question is a putz like you or me allowed access to that type of information. The answer is "hell no!" Their are others in the government that can access that information but then you would call them partisan or conspiracy theorists or some drivel. Remember you said I was liar that Trump was NEVER wire tapped. Do still believe Trump was not wiretapped?

gcomeau wrote:https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/20/14982752/trump-wiretap-claims-officially-debunked-fbi-comey-nsa-rogers

Yep. Because all you just did was spout more fictional nonsense.

No, Rogers did not tell Trump about anyone wiretapping him. Rogers testified under oath that had never happened.

The E wrote:Ahhh, but you see, smr has already told you that the evidence very definitely exists, it's just that he hasn't seen it because it's so secret!
One might wonder how he is so certain that it exists at all, given that, but surely we have to make allowances; given that we obviously lack the security clearances and access smr so very definitely has, it's clear that we just have to take his word for it.

After all, we all know how diligent he is in terms of verifying what he believes to be real. [/sarcasm]

Annachie wrote:Well, calling the FBI raid on Cohen a "Democratic witch hunt" is a pretty big one.

But then he's tweeting his "deplorables" base, not anyone with an actual working brain.

pappilon wrote:

Annachie wrote:Well, calling the FBI raid on Cohen a "Democratic witch hunt" is a pretty big one.

But then he's tweeting his "deplorables" base, not anyone with an actual working brain.

Are we forgetting that opinions are neither formed by or influenced by facts? opinions are emotional things;facts and data are merely after-the-formation rationalizations for the opinion.

Trump is not particularly lying, he does not care about deceit. He is trying to manipulate your emotions. Which, I suppose is its own form of deceit. His conservative base is manipulated through their feelings of authority/subversion, and/or loyalty/betrayal.

smr wrote:And your Not?????? yeah right!

The E wrote:

smr wrote:And your Not?????? yeah right!

Ah, yes, what a good point you made. And so eloquent too! I especially liked the part where you finally decided to cite studies and credible sources to support your arguments.