Remaining holes in SLN intel

cthia wrote:If the appropriate textev of UH is subpoenaed and placed on exhibit...

And it sounded like Cachat was essentially a loose warhead. Officially in the employee of the Republic of Haven's (sworn?) intelligence service whose directives he followed on the infrequent occasions when they made sense to him.

Prosecution:
It would seem that Haven is guilty of at least reckless endangerment and complicity, knowingly allowing that loose warhead to freely roam the galaxy on unsuspecting areas of mankind without a straight jacket. It is downright irresponsible of them for not defusing the loose munition long ago.

I'm going to have to go back and reread that exchange between Cachat and Pritchard upon his return. She was not amused as I recall. She knew he was a Cashew nut then. LOL

If push comes to shove and the legal wars get too heated, Gus may have to be thrown under the bus without fuss.

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Question, on the off chance of Cachat being disemboweled err disavowed. What would that mean for him, legally? I recall Michelle putting her head on the possible disavowing block a time or two, as well as others. Does that mean they'd be turned over to another government for adjudication? Would the fifth in line for secession be extradited to serve prison time, or worse, on another planet?

dis·a·vow
disəˈvou]

VERB

1. deny any responsibility or support for:
2. "he appears to be in denial of his own past, which he continually disavows"

synonyms: deny · disclaim · disown · wash one's hands of · repudiate · reject · renounce · abandon · give up · turn one's back on · disown · cast off · lay aside · forswear · abjure · forsake

Wouldn't that mean Cachat would have to be extradited, thrown to the wolves?

tlb wrote:

quite possibly a cat wrote:Free Bonus: What kind of maniac sends troops down to a planet of rogue-bioengineers, let alone super rogue-bioengineers, with super advanced nano and a penchant for mass murdering their own people? How is that supposed to end?

tlb wrote:PS. The idea that Beowulf can be turned against Manticore by propaganda is fantastical and I do not consider it believable.

quite possibly a cat wrote:It would be the facts that do it. Hell, if Manticore has the brilliant idea of calling in Beowulf to "independently investigate" it might be Beowulf's own investigation.

Beowulf first: Manticore does not have to worry, because Beowulf is one of the few governments in the Solarian League that does believe in the Malign menace: they know as fact that nano genetic assassins have been developed, they know the facts behind the Yawata Strike (to the extent that anyone does) and they have a centuries old relationship with Manticore. But that means others might not accept any findings by their investigation.

Second: Manticore will not expect that anyone on planet will be super rogue bio-engineers, just the normal rogue ones that can create designs for slaves. Plus they know the nano genetic assassin has be built from the target's DNA.

Bluesqueak wrote:Why on Mesa would a navy come in, guns blazing, and blow up an isolated nature reserve? Especially since the Admiral concerned has a previous reputation for surgical strikes?

cthia wrote:If the appropriate textev of UH is subpoenaed and placed on exhibit...

And it sounded like Cachat was essentially a loose warhead. Officially in the employee of the Republic of Haven's (sworn?) intelligence service whose directives he followed on the infrequent occasions when they made sense to him.

Prosecution:
It would seem that Haven is guilty of at least reckless endangerment and complicity, knowingly allowing that loose warhead to freely roam the galaxy on unsuspecting areas of mankind without a straight jacket. It is downright irresponsible of them for not defusing the loose munition long ago.

I'm going to have to go back and reread that exchange between Cachat and Pritchard upon his return. She was not amused as I recall. She knew he was a Cashew nut then. LOL

If push comes to shove and the legal wars get too heated, Gus may have to be thrown under the bus without fuss.

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Question, on the off chance of Cachat being disemboweled err disavowed. What would that mean for him, legally? I recall Michelle putting her head on the possible disavowing block a time or two, as well as others. Does that mean they'd be turned over to another government for adjudication? Would the fifth in line for secession be extradited to serve prison time, or worse, on another planet?

dis·a·vow
disəˈvou]

VERB

1. deny any responsibility or support for:
2. "he appears to be in denial of his own past, which he continually disavows"

synonyms: deny · disclaim · disown · wash one's hands of · repudiate · reject · renounce · abandon · give up · turn one's back on · disown · cast off · lay aside · forswear · abjure · forsake

Wouldn't that mean Cachat would have to be extradited, thrown to the wolves?

n7axw wrote:Hardly. As Eloise Prichard so eloquently stated: "He might be a lunatic, but he is our lunatic."

Don

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Bluesqueak wrote:Why on Mesa would a navy come in, guns blazing, and blow up an isolated nature reserve? Especially since the Admiral concerned has a previous reputation for surgical strikes?

Loren Pechtel wrote:How many average Solarian citizens know that, though?

Anyone with any sense who actually looks for an answer can see it wasn't Manticore but those who believe what their leaders tell them are another matter.

tlb wrote:

Bluesqueak wrote:Why on Mesa would a navy come in, guns blazing, and blow up an isolated nature reserve? Especially since the Admiral concerned has a previous reputation for surgical strikes?

Loren Pechtel wrote:How many average Solarian citizens know that, though?

Anyone with any sense who actually looks for an answer can see it wasn't Manticore but those who believe what their leaders tell them are another matter.

We know there are a few people of sense in the SL that are looking to uncover corruption in the upper ranks of the SLN and they also know there is an unknown force that attacked the Manticore home system in a way that no one should have been able to accomplish.

But where would this "anyone with sense" look to see that the explosions on Mesa were not caused by Manticore nor its allies? Obviously we know it because we have read the books, but an average person has no way to approach that problem. I do not think that their planetary leaders have made up their minds, but I expect the Mandarins will see this as a golden opportunity.

ldwechsler wrote:And if there somehow was an impartial trial, a good defense lawyer would ask exactly how Zilwicki and Cachat set off nuclear devices. And the answer would be that they did not.

ldwechsler wrote:And if there somehow was an impartial trial, a good defense lawyer would ask exactly how Zilwicki and Cachat set off nuclear devices. And the answer would be that they did not.

kzt wrote:

ldwechsler wrote:And if there somehow was an impartial trial, a good defense lawyer would ask exactly how Zilwicki and Cachat set off nuclear devices. And the answer would be that they did not.

It doesn't matter if I threw threw the stolen hand grenade into the kindergarten classroom or gave it to you, me fellow co-conspirator - who I knew to be dangerously unstable, and you threw it into the kindergarten classroom. I'm not going to ever get out of jail and nobody in law enforcement or the judiciary going to tell me I'm not to blame for trusting an insane criminal like you with a deadly weapon.