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Re: [Spoiler - UH] utube snippet
Post by ldwechsler   » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:29 pm

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Greentea wrote:
Sharidann wrote:As you stated "spoiler" in the header of the thread, can you simply spill the beans about the plot twist? (in a PM if you prefer)

Really having a hard time understanding David speaking (not an english native speaker here).

Thanks in advance.




The bigger surprise was that Harahap had not been properly treated with death-dealing nanites. The loss of the records at Green Pines is proving to be quite crucial. The onion also seems to be falling prey to one of the age-old problems of large organizations and beehives. Once you get past the doorkeepers and look official, people just assume you are supposed to be there and have the proper accreditations, oops. The adoption was surprising but is technically not a bad thing. It means the Grand Alliance has their claws deeper into Harahap than they expected to.


I doubt the lack of the nanite protocols was a careless error. If someone is going to be traveling for a long time between a wohle load of stars, there probably would be no way to keep up the protocols.

Also, he might well be underestimated. He had limited contact with the top people, was not alpha, etc. A real lot of his knowledge seemed to be based on his own observations.

But talk about an unexpected twist.

Add to that, he can't go back to the MAlign no matter what. They'd take the treecat.
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Re: [Spoiler - UH] utube snippet
Post by Vince   » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:16 am

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ldwechsler wrote:
Greentea wrote:The bigger surprise was that Harahap had not been properly treated with death-dealing nanites. The loss of the records at Green Pines is proving to be quite crucial. The onion also seems to be falling prey to one of the age-old problems of large organizations and beehives. Once you get past the doorkeepers and look official, people just assume you are supposed to be there and have the proper accreditations, oops. The adoption was surprising but is technically not a bad thing. It means the Grand Alliance has their claws deeper into Harahap than they expected to.
I doubt the lack of the nanite protocols was a careless error. If someone is going to be traveling for a long time between a wohle load of stars, there probably would be no way to keep up the protocols.

Also, he might well be underestimated. He had limited contact with the top people, was not alpha, etc. A real lot of his knowledge seemed to be based on his own observations.

But talk about an unexpected twist.

Add to that, he can't go back to the MAlign no matter what. They'd take the treecat.

While the higher ups in the Mesan Alignment were under the impression that Harahap had received the nanite suicide protocols, which we know have to be programmed for the suicide actions, and genetically encoded from the subject's own DNA to avoid detection from forensic analysis after they activate:
Shadow of Victory, Chapter 24 wrote:“He’s good, Father,” Collin Detweiler said several hours later. He and his father sat on the veranda of Albrecht Detweiler’s island mansion, cold drinks in hand while they listened to the surf and enjoyed the sea breeze. “In fact, he’s very good. Just as good as Isabel said he was.”
“In that case, I have to wonder what conclusions he’s drawn about Green Pines,” his father said.
“I didn’t ask him, and I don’t intend to.” Collin sipped whiskey, then set his glass down carefully. “For one thing, he knows damned well that the Gamma Center was under Suvorov.”
He knows about the Gamma Center?” Albrecht Detweiler’s expression tightened ominously. “Just why the fuck does he know anything about the Gamma Center?!”
“He doesn’t know how big it was, he doesn’t know what we were doing down there, and he sure as hell doesn’t have a clue about how important it was,” Collin said soothingly. “Isabel was really rushed when she had him prepped, though. You know the suicide-protocol nannies have to be genetically coded and programmed before they can be injected. If she was going to get that done before she sent him out, the Gamma Center clinic was the best place to do it. But I don’t think you have to worry about anything he may have seen there. Among other things, she had Chernyshev personally escort him.”
His father glared at him for another handful of seconds, then—slowly—relaxed back into his chair.
“All right…I suppose,” he growled, then wagged an index finger. “I don’t like it, though. We’re getting way too close to be bringing any outsiders that deep into the onion.”
“I suspect Harahap’s figured out there is an onion, Father.” Collin shrugged. “I don’t think there’s any way he could have a clue as to exactly what it is, though. And if we’re going to make use of him—which I really think we should—we’re just going to have to accept that when you use a man this smart, he’s bound to figure out at least a few things you’d rather he didn’t. The only way to avoid that would be to use people too stupid to do the figuring out…which would be a really, really good way to shoot ourselves in both feet.”
“Granted. Granted!” Albrecht waved one hand. “And if you agree with Isabel that we need to use him, then I suppose I’m willing to sign off on it.”
“I don’t think we have a lot of choice, really.” Collin shrugged again. “We’re still trying to get ourselves reorganized after that cyber attack, and we lost both of Isabel’s deputies—not to mention Jack McBryde—along with the Gamma Center. That means we’re stretched thin for ‘upper management’ people all the way inside the onion, and that means we need to draft senior field operatives to fill the gaps. Frankly, I’m thinking we’re going to have to pull Chernyshev in and give him Isabel’s job.”
“Are you sure about that?” Albrecht frowned. “He’s been awfully effective in the field for a long time.”
“Which is why we need Harahap to replace him—or at least partially replace him. Unfortunately, I can’t think of anyone else we still have who (a) has the ‘hands-on’ field ops experience Isabel had, (b) is as fully briefed on her various ops as he is—you know she was using him virtually as a third deputy—and (c) is just as smart and capable as she was. And while it was never really a problem, he’s also quite a bit more stable than she was. For that matter, his entire geno’s more stable than the Bardasano line, and you know it.”
Albrecht frowned some more, then nodded.
“Point taken,” he said. “So how is Harahap going to replace him?”
“I’m going to give him primary responsibility for Włocławek and Swallow. I’ll be sending him back to Mobius first, though. He made the initial contact there, so I want him to make the introductions for whoever replaces Chernyshev in that system. It’s too far from the others for him to take it over permanently, though.”
“I can see that.” Albrecht nodded again. “The only thing that bothers me is that if he’s as smart as you say, then the information we’ll have to give him to steer things along properly is also going to give him a much better look inside than I’m really comfortable with.”
“He may not get as deep a look as you’re afraid he will, Father,” Collin said, reaching for his whiskey glass once more. “And even if he does,” he paused to sip from the glass, then smiled coldly, “he did make that trip to the Gamma Center clinic, didn’t he?”
Italics are the author's, underlined text is my emphasis.

But Harahap actually didn't receive the suicide nanites:
Shadow of Victory, Chapter 17 wrote:He wasn’t entirely happy about the new medical package his employers had provided. He’d seen too many ways in which suicide switches could be rigged even without access to someone’s doctor, and he suspected that his new doctor would have been perfectly happy to do just that. That thought was enough to provoke the occasional bad dream, but they hadn’t really needed any elaborate doctor’s visits to set up something like that. There were much simpler ways to go about it, and he told himself firmly to look at the upside.
If Bardasano was to be believed, the booster to his prolong had just added close to another T-century to his expected lifetime. The ability to see in near-total darkness wasn’t anything at which a field operative was likely to turn up his nose, either. And neither were the repair nanites swarming around his system. Bardasano had demonstrated their efficacy for him by slashing her own palm and then letting him watch as the deep cut closed and began healing before his very eyes. It was almost like carrying his very own regen clinic around with him, although he strongly suspected they violated the prohibitions on self-replicating, broad-spectrum biological nanotech. The times that sort of initially innocuous technology had gotten out of hand were enough to make anyone nervous, but if it was going to be wandering around the galaxy anyway, he might as well get in on it, himself. The oxygen reservoir implanted in his abdomen and the EM spectrum sensors implanted across his shoulder blades were well worth having, as well, and he’d been promised improved anti-disease nannies when he got back, as well. Unlike the repair nanites, they needed to be specifically coded to his own genotype so they could recognize any intruders, and there hadn’t quite been time to get that done before he had to catch his shuttle for his new assignment.
And let’s face it, he thought wryly, nobody lives forever, anyway. Sure, Bardasano’ll dispose of me in a heartbeat if I turn into a liability, but I already knew that. Probably be a lot harder for me to just…disappear now to avoid that, though. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if my “regularly scheduled medical checkups” are going to include resetting some sort of dead man’s switch from now on. That’s how I’d’ve set it up, anyway. But the pay’s good, the work’s challenging, and as long as I don’t trip myself up and blow an assignment, they’ll keep me around and keep me in the field.
In an odd sort of way, that was almost amusing, and he closed his eyes and smiled as he let the music sweep over him.
Italics are the author's, underlined text is my emphasis.
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Re: [Spoiler - UH] utube snippet
Post by JohnRoth   » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:23 am

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ldwechsler wrote:

The bigger surprise was that Harahap had not been properly treated with death-dealing nanites. The loss of the records at Green Pines is proving to be quite crucial. The onion also seems to be falling prey to one of the age-old problems of large organizations and beehives. Once you get past the doorkeepers and look official, people just assume you are supposed to be there and have the proper accreditations, oops. The adoption was surprising but is technically not a bad thing. It means the Grand Alliance has their claws deeper into Harahap than they expected to.


I doubt the lack of the nanite protocols was a careless error. If someone is going to be traveling for a long time between a wohle load of stars, there probably would be no way to keep up the protocols.

Also, he might well be underestimated. He had limited contact with the top people, was not alpha, etc. A real lot of his knowledge seemed to be based on his own observations.

But talk about an unexpected twist.

Add to that, he can't go back to the MAlign no matter what. They'd take the treecat.[/quote]

It may not have been an error in the strict sense, but it was an oversight. It takes a while for the Gamma Center clinic to do the necessary tailoring to his genetics to install the kill switch. Bardisano hustled Harahap off planet before they had done it, then Green Pines happened. Colin and Albrecht thought he had it installed.

See SoV Chapter 17 p164, where it's talking about more stuff that would be done when he got back - there wasn't quite enough time before he had to leave for things that had to be genetically coded and programmed.

Then SoV chapter 23, p228 where Colin and Albrecht assume he has the suicide nannies. There are several discussions about exactly how good he is, and that he's probably figured out a few things they wish he hadn't.

Also, an anomaly I noted. The chapter that RFC read mentioned Colin Detweiller by name, and Harahap said that he'd never heard the term "Mean Alignment." With a treecat present. I can't find any evidence that he was ever told Colin's name, and Isabel definitely told him about the Mesan Alignment.
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Re: [Spoiler - UH] utube snippet
Post by Sharidann   » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:53 am

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Harahap has more lives than a cat and an extraordinary share of luck...
1) he survives the assassination attempt,
2) he dodges the bullet with the killer nanites, thanks to the Green Pines strike (the Detweilers assume that he got them, as it is SOP and he visited the medical center, they didn't realize he was rushed to a hotspot before his killer nanites were ready for him...)
3) being adopted by a treecat means with 100%-certainty that he avoids the death penalty, as it would also condemn his treecat to death or undue duress at the very least. Plus being adopted is kinda saying he is not an absolute bad guy as there doesn't seem to be something like an evil treecat...
And yes, a big game changer, as it means his assertions can be even more trusted....

Oh boy!!!

Did I say... EARC????
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Re: [Spoiler - UH] utube snippet
Post by Tim   » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:17 pm

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So like I said his treecat name should be "walks between raindrops". :D

Sharidann wrote:Harahap has more lives than a cat and an extraordinary share of luck...
1) he survives the assassination attempt,
2) he dodges the bullet with the killer nanites, thanks to the Green Pines strike (the Detweilers assume that he got them, as it is SOP and he visited the medical center, they didn't realize he was rushed to a hotspot before his killer nanites were ready for him...)
3) being adopted by a treecat means with 100%-certainty that he avoids the death penalty, as it would also condemn his treecat to death or undue duress at the very least. Plus being adopted is kinda saying he is not an absolute bad guy as there doesn't seem to be something like an evil treecat...
And yes, a big game changer, as it means his assertions can be even more trusted....

Oh boy!!!

Did I say... EARC????
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Re: [Spoiler - UH] utube snippet
Post by Hans   » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:24 am

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Hello,

Did I say... EARC????

Did i already mention, that we, the older guys AND/OR not native english speaking are desperately waiting to read this snippet?
Please mr. postm.. ahh RunsForCelery aka David Weber post that part here as snippet

Thx in advance
Ciao Hans
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Re: [Spoiler - UH] utube snippet
Post by Brigade XO   » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:39 pm

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Well, that was a fun reveal. We knew Damian had not been given all that much information about the Alignment but he really has been a very observent and effective agent. He has successfuly honed the survival skills of both figuring things out quickly and being able to articulate his insights and analysis. That makes him dangerous. Very very dangerous to people who mean him harm. And now, he's going to have an even more interesting time with what was supposed to be "just" a bodyguard. Somebody is going to look back on this day (if they ever find out about it) and truly wish it never happened.
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Re: [Spoiler - UH] utube snippet
Post by Direwolf18   » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:53 pm

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Bah, every time someone talks about the EARC I get excited and run and check Baen to see if its up yet.

I know its being over optimistic to hope it would be out this month, not when Call to Vengence came out earlier. Doesnt stop me from checking a couple times a day...

I'm hoping January,
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Re: [Spoiler - UH] utube snippet
Post by Dauntless   » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:27 am

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Direwolf18 wrote:Bah, every time someone talks about the EARC I get excited and run and check Baen to see if its up yet.

I know its being over optimistic to hope it would be out this month, not when Call to Vengence came out earlier. Doesnt stop me from checking a couple times a day...

I'm hoping January,


that would be nice but i'm hoping that it appears (if it hasn't already) in april.

that way it will tie in with OBS like RFC was originally hoping to do.
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Re: [Spoiler - UH] utube snippet
Post by Kensai   » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:04 pm

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*listens to video*

*at twist, stares at video*

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bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha......


I can most assuredly say, it was unexpected that the Bodyguard turned out to be the Bonding 'Cat.

And I find it highly amusing. HIGHLY amusing... I don't think they have any reasons to think he'd jump ship now.
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