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by Annachie
» Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:26 pm
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You funny man.
Buy outs like that only work when the people, as a whole, decide that the thing is worth ending. It's why the gun buy back down here worked. That was never going to happen with the south and slavery. Not then. Hell, I doubt it would happen now. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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by biochem
» Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:41 pm
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I agree that sort of thing would only happen if people literally saw the future at the start of the war. Not theorized it but actually saw it. Unfortunately foresight occurs only between the pages of fantasy novels. |
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by Annachie
» Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:40 am
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I think you misunderstand.
It would only work if the slave owners all decided to end the institution of slavery. Fear of losing, or knowledge of the concequences, would only change.the events, not the pro slavery attitudes, and those event changes would only be to maintain slavery. Basically, a position that is umcompromisable. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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by pappilon
» Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:38 am
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I know, I bypassed a lot of interesting discussion. I'm not sure the economics is still there. And by now I question the accuracy of what I've been taught. But here goes.(1) Slave trade was run by Boston merchants with a triangle trade route. Buy Jamaican rum, sail to western Africa and trade for slaves or sell and buy slaves, to N.O, Savanah, etc and sell slaves there, remainder of slaves to Jamaica, repeat. (2) Congress, controlled by new England interests kept high tariffs on manufactured goods, but low tariffs on Agricultural products. Plantation owners had to pay high costs for protected agricultural equipment and faced stiff competition in markets for their cotton and sugar. (was a $.05/lb. subsidy on sugar). With mechanization today, My brother's father-in-law can harvest his cotton crop in a week. Cane grinding season is about 6 weeks. About the only places slavery could survive is where migrant(mostly Mexican) workers are being used today. Pretty much the west coast. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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by gcomeau
» Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:34 pm
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Indeed. The South went to war not just to preserve but to *expand* the institution of slavery. One of the things they were most pissed about was the idea that newly established states would be set up as non slave states. They were fanatically ideologically committed to white supremacism and slavery as the proper model for society. There is no chance in hell they would have accepted a buyout offer. |
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by Annachie
» Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:21 pm
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Pappilon, yeah you're probably right about the farming side, though weirder things can happen.
But the personel service industry, maids and cleaners and such, could still survive. Anything that is low skill minimum wage becomes more economical. Well economies of scale will enter into specifics. Hell, the sex trade still uses what is essentially slave laboyr now. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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by pappilon
» Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:37 am
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But you still have to provide the basics (food, clothing, shelter, some basic medical care) to your slaves. Which is why share-cropping is still practiced, they do the work you provide 1/4 acre for their use growing veggies, and they get a tiny cut of the profit. We went through paying wages in company script which could only be redeemed in company stores. White slavery has its own economics that minimum wage jobs lack. It is my understanding, because I have no practical experience in such matters, that in the Asian countries where it is most heavily practiced that the girls are literally ruined within 3-5 years. But a t several hundred or thousand per pop, it is still very profitable. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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by Annachie
» Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:59 am
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And the eligibility shitstorm just keeps rolling on.
Yet another Senator with dual citizenship problems, and one with pecuniary interest problems. That's now 12.5% or so of the Senate with eligibility problems since the election last year. To cap it off, there's some talk that the Prime Minister's mother somehow makes him eligible for Israeli citizenship and thus, you guessed it, ineligible to be a member of the Federal parliment. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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by Eyal
» Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:03 am
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Is mere eligibility for foreign citizenship* (as opposed to actually having citizenship) enough to bar someone from parliament? That seems a rather high bar to meet *If Turnbull's mother is Jewish, then he's also Jewish and eligible for Israeli citizenship, but he doesn't get citizenship automatically - he has to actually apply first (and to commit to becoming an Israeli resident, for that matter) |
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by Michael Everett
» Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:31 am
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...so what's to stop Russia and/or the USA from awarding citizenship to Australian Politicians that they dislike, thus forcing them out of office?
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