How many naval personnel is there available in Talbott.

Maldorian wrote:It isn´t only the technical standard that is important, trust is also important! Do you think everyone of the talbott navy members turn from one day to the next into loyal manticorian soldiers?


I think the best manticore can do is to give the local navies some older LAC´s. They wouldn´t have the last manticore tech secrets but better than everything they already have.

I think, after having individual planetary votes for entry at 70+%, the struggle to turn out a constitution, the ratification vote by each planet to accept the constitution and be given membership into the STAR EMPIRE, any Norbrants or Westmans in the military would have resigned more in anger than sadness.

Likewise as full members of the Star empire, not mere alliance members like Alizon, Grayson, etc., they darn well should expect if not outright demand current front like equipment. I mean Grayson is not part of the SEM, ans except for the High Ridge years it has been privy to all the military hardware. How can a member of the SEM not be treated with the same respect.

I'm hazarding a guess here, but, I would also suggest that any vessels in Naval service in the Talbot Quadrant also has to be a "fourth line" vessel. That is to say that at best they are obsolete versions of Solarian vessels that have "downgraded" electronics and weapons as evidenced by the vessles being handed over to the Monican Navy.

As for the "trustworthiness" of Talbott personnel, I think that becomes a moot point as they are now Manticorean Citizens, voluntarily by majority vote of their respective governments.

What is more to the point is their technical background, here I would suggest that if they are capable of operating and maintaing "fourth line" vessels then they certainly have enough technical background and education to be trained for deployment with the RMN.

The one area that Talbott can help the RMN is to begin manning their own LACs. Not immediately, but naval personnel from Talbott can be retrained to man LACs. Those LACs would be much more capable than pre-annexation Talbott naval ships. I suspect they can also begin building their own LACs. That would free up manpower and production to be redirected to more substantial warships.

I would suspect that if there are any real system navies, they would be classified as System Defense Forces in the SL sense, rather than be disbanded to free up the sailors to be trained for the regular Navy. Over time, those would probably transition to locally staffed LAC wings.

I don't believe there is any textev addressing the point.

JohnRoth wrote:I would suspect that if there are any real system navies, they would be classified as System Defense Forces in the SL sense, rather than be disbanded to free up the sailors to be trained for the regular Navy. Over time, those would probably transition to locally staffed LAC wings.

I don't believe there is any textev addressing the point.

I do think that some systems will upgrade their hyper capable warships to RMN standards. Likely they will stick to Rolands, but I wouldn't be shocked if a Sag-C was purchased either. Those systems would save their SDFs to deal with pirate bases directly. Given the size of the Quadrant, the RMN might not be able to respond in a timely fashion. Systems like Rembrandt might want to retain local capabilities to deal with pirate threats.

I would expect any merging of system defense forces with the RMN to evolve gradually. My impression is that those forces consist of Rembrandt, San Miguel and the RTU. They do consist of some light cruisers and destroyers, and, I am sure, LACs. Everybody else, so far as I know, only has LACs.

Everybody has been upgraded to modern LACs, I think, although the Yawata Strike might have interupted that.

As far as making sure everybody has modern gear, remember that until Manticore's industrial capacity is rebuilt, some things will have to be put on hold. I suspect some of those older ships that belonged to quadrant system defense forces prior to the discovery of the Lynx terminus will be kept in service for pirate supression. Especially given the demand for modern light hulls closer to the front as the war against the League is pressed, that will be how it has to be.

Don

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n7axw wrote:I would expect any merging of system defense forces with the RMN to evolve gradually. My impression is that those forces consist of Rembrandt, San Miguel and the RTU. They do consist of some light cruisers and destroyers, and, I am sure, LACs. Everybody else, so far as I know, only has LACs.

Everybody has been upgraded to modern LACs, I think, although the Yawata Strike might have interupted that.

As far as making sure everybody has modern gear, remember that until Manticore's industrial capacity is rebuilt, some things will have to be put on hold. I suspect some of those older ships that belonged to quadrant system defense forces prior to the discovery of the Lynx terminus will be kept in service for pirate supression. Especially given the demand for modern light hulls closer to the front as the war against the League is pressed, that will be how it has to be.

Don

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Their system ground troops are mostly armed with SL arms which they will apparently keep for now. There is textev that LAC crews and maintenance facilities would be the best place to start integrating the SDFs into the RMN. Their training needs upgrading their entire educational system needs improvement, some more than others.

pappilon wrote:

n7axw wrote:I would expect any merging of system defense forces with the RMN to evolve gradually. My impression is that those forces consist of Rembrandt, San Miguel and the RTU. They do consist of some light cruisers and destroyers, and, I am sure, LACs. Everybody else, so far as I know, only has LACs.

Everybody has been upgraded to modern LACs, I think, although the Yawata Strike might have interupted that.

As far as making sure everybody has modern gear, remember that until Manticore's industrial capacity is rebuilt, some things will have to be put on hold. I suspect some of those older ships that belonged to quadrant system defense forces prior to the discovery of the Lynx terminus will be kept in service for pirate supression. Especially given the demand for modern light hulls closer to the front as the war against the League is pressed, that will be how it has to be.

Don

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Their system ground troops are mostly armed with SL arms which they will apparently keep for now. There is textev that LAC crews and maintenance facilities would be the best place to start integrating the SDFs into the RMN. Their training needs upgrading their entire educational system needs improvement, some more than others.

Indeed so. Upgrading the Talbot SDFs won't necessarily mean immediately incorporating the personnel as part of the RMN. It will mean that not as many RMN personnel will be needed to defend a Talbott star system. I am thinking of the National Guard in the US. They are part of the entire US armed forces but are not directly integrated into active military forces.

That doesn't mean that the training can't be upgraded to include fighting and maintaining modern LACs. Training and capabilities will be upgraded. That process will take time but can begin immediately and will require fewer trained RMN personnel as more and more Talbotters come up to speed.

As the Quadrant becomes richer, more and more systems will upgrade their SDFs. Wouldn't be surprised when the story resumes we see almost all systems in the Quadrant have an SDF with at least a Roland. They'll want something to chase down pirates that manage to escape the LACs.

n7axw wrote:I would expect any merging of system defense forces with the RMN to evolve gradually. My impression is that those forces consist of Rembrandt, San Miguel and the RTU. They do consist of some light cruisers and destroyers, and, I am sure, LACs. Everybody else, so far as I know, only has LACs.

Everybody has been upgraded to modern LACs, I think, although the Yawata Strike might have interupted that.

I don't know if Manticore would want to bother, or if Haven would be willing to cooperate, but even Cimeterres-Betas would be a significant improvement to capabilities over classic LACs. (Well, their missiles might not be as good anti-ship as old style missiles in box launchers but their accel, bow-wall, and spinal laser make them much nastier up close than any old-style LAC.

We might see Haven temporarily providing LACs to Talbott systems until the Shrike / Ferret production lines are running again. (But I'd bet they actually soldier on with whatever 10th fleet resources have been assigned plus any RMN pods and LACs shipped their way before Oyster Bay)

Jonathan_S wrote:

n7axw wrote:I would expect any merging of system defense forces with the RMN to evolve gradually. My impression is that those forces consist of Rembrandt, San Miguel and the RTU. They do consist of some light cruisers and destroyers, and, I am sure, LACs. Everybody else, so far as I know, only has LACs.

Everybody has been upgraded to modern LACs, I think, although the Yawata Strike might have interupted that.

I don't know if Manticore would want to bother, or if Haven would be willing to cooperate, but even Cimeterres-Betas would be a significant improvement to capabilities over classic LACs. (Well, their missiles might not be as good anti-ship as old style missiles in box launchers but their accel, bow-wall, and spinal laser make them much nastier up close than any old-style LAC.

We might see Haven temporarily providing LACs to Talbott systems until the Shrike / Ferret production lines are running again. (But I'd bet they actually soldier on with whatever 10th fleet resources have been assigned plus any RMN pods and LACs shipped their way before Oyster Bay)

One suspects that retooling the Quadrant to build Shrikes and Ferrets is in the works. I doubt that the GA would see an advantage in upgrading The Quadrant twice. It would make more sense to use Cemeterres to shore up the Verge systems wanting to align with the GA. That is more of a dead end tech anyway, but still represents a major threat against anything short of a waller.

Heck, pretty soon Haven will be selling the licenses to build them for export. I would be surprised if Talbott residents didn't find a way to purchase a license. Havenite builders would be more interested in building Shrikes.