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Re: Top 5 Hardest Pills To Swallow
Post by roseandheather   » Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:59 pm

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Eagleeye wrote:
ldwechsler wrote:Aside from the infrequency of books in recent years, my biggest disappointment has been the lack of exceptionality shown by those in MAlign. We have seen a lot of so-called alpha line operatives who seem no brighter than average. We have been told there are some operatives who are absolutely deadly and have seen no evidence of it.

Harahap was presumably one of the better lines and yet he uses the same name everywhere, thereby giving himself away. Once his name hits the "wires," not only will a lot of planets know what he was really doing but some where there were no revolts or failed ones will connect him back.

These are supposed to be damned near supermen and women and yet they have done nothing much more than create a few science breakthroughs, none decisive.

Frankly, they are a disappointment. If this has been 500 years of experiments, they might be dumbest group of scientists anywhere.


Harahap is no Alpha-Line. He comes from a verge-planet with no economical pot to p*ss in and a sollie transstellar to take anything else away (as far as I remember), and he chose to become a member of the Solarian Gendarmerie, because it was the best game available for him. He's the dictionary picture of a mercenary with no loyalty at all regarding the Solarian League - and so he was an ideal candidate for the MAlign to recruit.


^^^ That.
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Re: Top 5 Hardest Pills To Swallow
Post by WLBjork   » Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:00 pm

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Randomiser wrote: I don't imagine we Brits are much better.


That's a few thousand percent understatement. Take a look at what the RAF pulled in the 1970s when it came time to replace HMS Hermes.

There's a good reason we only had the Invincible Class "Through Deck Cruisers" with Harrier Jump Jets during the Falklands campaign., instead of a replacement Fleet Carrier (or better) with *at least* Buccaneers and Phantoms (and ideally, Hornets and Buccaneers)
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Re: Top 5 Hardest Pills To Swallow
Post by ldwechsler   » Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:43 pm

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ldwechsler wrote:Aside from the infrequency of books in recent years, my biggest disappointment has been the lack of exceptionality shown by those in MAlign. We have seen a lot of so-called alpha line operatives who seem no brighter than average. We have been told there are some operatives who are absolutely deadly and have seen no evidence of it.

Harahap was presumably one of the better lines and yet he uses the same name everywhere, thereby giving himself away. Once his name hits the "wires," not only will a lot of planets know what he was really doing but some where there were no revolts or failed ones will connect him back.

These are supposed to be damned near supermen and women and yet they have done nothing much more than create a few science breakthroughs, none decisive.

Frankly, they are a disappointment. If this has been 500 years of experiments, they might be dumbest group of scientists anywhere.


Harahap is no Alpha-Line. He comes from a verge-planet with no economical pot to p*ss in and a sollie transstellar to take anything else away (as far as I remember), and he chose to become a member of the Solarian Gendarmerie, because it was the best game available for him. He's the dictionary picture of a mercenary with no loyalty at all regarding the Solarian League - and so he was an ideal candidate for the MAlign to recruit.[/quote]

Someone had to plan the missions and it came from pretty deep into the onion. He worked with quite a few key people. He was not just 'winging' it. And they kept using Firebrand as a nickname just in case you didn't remember Harahap. They even kept it after he was captured by the Manticorans.


And we have seen so many others INCLUDING Detweilers. Has anyone seemed brilliant? Are they smarter than the Hemphill and Foraker and their people?

They just seem to be like people yet the freed slaves we've seen come across as being far smarter and more interesting. DuHavel seems smarter than any of them; JeremyX is described as the best shot anywhere. Paolo is descended from pleasure slaves yet is brilliant at electronics.

Frankly, the Malign comes across as a dud.
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Re: Top 5 Hardest Pills To Swallow
Post by isaac_newton   » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:11 pm

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runsforcelery wrote:
Bruno Behrends wrote:
Wow - thank you for the long explanation!

I figured something along those lines (except for the after her death part it comes out that ... which yeah, might have been cool!) and I know uncle Jaques was there from the start.

And of course there are advantages for the story with her kind of having inherited the anti-Alignment fight from the Beowulf side.

I also still love the series :D


You're welcome. There are a lot of times I regret having lost the story arc launched by Honor's death. Not because I wanted to kill her off but because there were a whole bunch of neat scenes and events that are never going to make it into print now.

I will say, however, that I have so far managed to hide one last . . . unanticipated family connection of Honor's.

Until this book, at least. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:



Oo-Oo I know!!!!

Honor is distantly related to the Detwielers :lol:
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Re: Top 5 Hardest Pills To Swallow
Post by runsforcelery   » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:26 pm

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ldwechsler wrote:
ldwechsler wrote:Aside from the infrequency of books in recent years, my biggest disappointment has been the lack of exceptionality shown by those in MAlign. We have seen a lot of so-called alpha line operatives who seem no brighter than average. We have been told there are some operatives who are absolutely deadly and have seen no evidence of it.

Harahap was presumably one of the better lines and yet he uses the same name everywhere, thereby giving himself away. Once his name hits the "wires," not only will a lot of planets know what he was really doing but some where there were no revolts or failed ones will connect him back.

These are supposed to be damned near supermen and women and yet they have done nothing much more than create a few science breakthroughs, none decisive.

Frankly, they are a disappointment. If this has been 500 years of experiments, they might be dumbest group of scientists anywhere.


Harahap is no Alpha-Line. He comes from a verge-planet with no economical pot to p*ss in and a sollie transstellar to take anything else away (as far as I remember), and he chose to become a member of the Solarian Gendarmerie, because it was the best game available for him. He's the dictionary picture of a mercenary with no loyalty at all regarding the Solarian League - and so he was an ideal candidate for the MAlign to recruit.


ldwechsler wrote:
Someone had to plan the missions and it came from pretty deep into the onion. He worked with quite a few key people. He was not just 'winging' it. And they kept using Firebrand as a nickname just in case you didn't remember Harahap. They even kept it after he was captured by the Manticorans.


And we have seen so many others INCLUDING Detweilers. Has anyone seemed brilliant? Are they smarter than the Hemphill and Foraker and their people?

They just seem to be like people yet the freed slaves we've seen come across as being far smarter and more interesting. DuHavel seems smarter than any of them; JeremyX is described as the best shot anywhere. Paolo is descended from pleasure slaves yet is brilliant at electronics.

Frankly, the Malign comes across as a dud.



How many others have you really seen? I'm just asking because you really haven't seen all that many.

As for Harahap's resuse of variants on Firebrand, did it occur to you that the Alignment was just fine with that for a very good reason? The only people who know there was a dude named Firebrand running around lighting fires in Talbott for the Alignment (or, rather, for a passel of corrupt transstellars who have nothing to do with the completely fictitious "Alignment" which is clearly a product of Manticoran paranoia) happens to be the GA. No one else has any reason to associate the name "Firebrand" with the Alignment, but the Alignment has every reason to make the ties between the various Janus operational contacts as obvious as possible after the fact in order to point suspicion at the Manties for a widespread operation covering a vast volume of space. (And I don't think they really hoped to keep their involvement in Janus a secret where the GA is concerned, however hard they tried! ;))

If I failed to make that point sufficiently clear where Harahap's naming conventions were concerned, I apologize. It always seemed to me to be implicit in the fact that no one from the Alignment complained about it. (Of course, I was on the inside looking out, so it may have seemed more clearly implied to me than to others.) As far as other Alphas are concerned, Damien's buddy Rufino was pretty sharp, I thought, and Bardasano was no dummy (not too tiightly wrapped, but no dummy). Anisimovna played the President of Monica and the New Tuscany government like cheap violins and accomplished every one of the tasks she was set by her superiors. And then there's O'Hanrahan. And once Jack McBryde recognized the truth about the Alignment (and his own complicity), I thought he was pretty darned effective.

I will guarantee you that you've seen at least one Alpha who is positively brilliant and extremely deadly, although I will leave the aforesaid Alpha's identity a bit of a mystery for the moment. Be interesting to see if anyone can identify the person I'm thinking about.


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Re: Top 5 Hardest Pills To Swallow
Post by runsforcelery   » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:29 pm

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isaac_newton wrote:
Bruno Behrends wrote:
Wow - thank you for the long explanation!

I figured something along those lines (except for the after her death part it comes out that ... which yeah, might have been cool!) and I know uncle Jaques was there from the start.

And of course there are advantages for the story with her kind of having inherited the anti-Alignment fight from the Beowulf side.

I also still love the series :D




runsforcelery wrote:You're welcome. There are a lot of times I regret having lost the story arc launched by Honor's death. Not because I wanted to kill her off but because there were a whole bunch of neat scenes and events that are never going to make it into print now.

I will say, however, that I have so far managed to hide one last . . . unanticipated family connection of Honor's.

Until this book, at least. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:



Oo-Oo I know!!!!

Honor is distantly related to the Detwielers :lol:


I'm sure Thanksgiving Dinner would be . . . interesting. :roll:


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Re: Top 5 Hardest Pills To Swallow
Post by roseandheather   » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:35 pm

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runsforcelery wrote:
How many others have you really seen? I'm just asking because you really haven't seen all that many.

As for Harahap's resuse of variants on Firebrand, did it occur to you that the Alignment was just fine with that for a very good reason? The only people who know there was a dude named Firebrand running around lighting fires in Talbott for the Alignment (or, rather, for a passel of corrupt transstellars who have nothing to do with the completely fictitious "Alignment" which is clearly a product of Manticoran paranoia) happens to be the GA. No one else has any reason to associate the name "Firebrand" with the Alignment, but the Alignment has every reason to make the ties between the various Janus operational contacts as obvious as possible after the fact in order to point suspicion at the Manties for a widespread operation covering a vast volume of space. (And I don't think they really hoped to keep their involvement in Janus a secret where the GA is concerned, however hard they tried! ;))

If I failed to make that point sufficiently clear where Harahap's naming conventions were concerned, I apologize. It always seemed to me to be implicit in the fact that no one from the Alignment complained about it. (Of course, I was on the inside looking out, so it may have seemed more clearly implied to me than to others.) As far as other Alphas are concerned, Damien's buddy Rufino was pretty sharp, I thought, and Bardasano was no dummy (not too tiightly wrapped, but no dummy). Anisimovna played the President of Monica and the New Tuscany government like cheap violins and accomplished every one of the tasks she was set by her superiors. And then there's O'Hanrahan. And once Jack McBryde recognized the truth about the Alignment (and his own complicity), I thought he was pretty darned effective.

I will guarantee you that you've seen at least one Alpha who is positively brilliant and extremely deadly, although I will leave the aforesaid Alpha's identity a bit of a mystery for the moment. Be interesting to see if anyone can identify the person I'm thinking about.


I swear to the Tester, the Comforter, and the Intercessor, if you tell me Eloise Pritchart is from an Alpha line, I will have your hide for slippers a la Harrington. :evil: 8-)
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Re: Top 5 Hardest Pills To Swallow
Post by PeterZ   » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:39 pm

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isaac_newton wrote:
runsforcelery wrote:
You're welcome. There are a lot of times I regret having lost the story arc launched by Honor's death. Not because I wanted to kill her off but because there were a whole bunch of neat scenes and events that are never going to make it into print now.

I will say, however, that I have so far managed to hide one last . . . unanticipated family connection of Honor's.

Until this book, at least. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:



Oo-Oo I know!!!!

Honor is distantly related to the Detwielers :lol:

More like her genie mods are the core/base for Detweilers star lines......and some of the Winton mods.
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Re: Top 5 Hardest Pills To Swallow
Post by PeterZ   » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:42 pm

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roseandheather wrote:
runsforcelery wrote:
How many others have you really seen? I'm just asking because you really haven't seen all that many.

As for Harahap's resuse of variants on Firebrand, did it occur to you that the Alignment was just fine with that for a very good reason? The only people who know there was a dude named Firebrand running around lighting fires in Talbott for the Alignment (or, rather, for a passel of corrupt transstellars who have nothing to do with the completely fictitious "Alignment" which is clearly a product of Manticoran paranoia) happens to be the GA. No one else has any reason to associate the name "Firebrand" with the Alignment, but the Alignment has every reason to make the ties between the various Janus operational contacts as obvious as possible after the fact in order to point suspicion at the Manties for a widespread operation covering a vast volume of space. (And I don't think they really hoped to keep their involvement in Janus a secret where the GA is concerned, however hard they tried! ;))

If I failed to make that point sufficiently clear where Harahap's naming conventions were concerned, I apologize. It always seemed to me to be implicit in the fact that no one from the Alignment complained about it. (Of course, I was on the inside looking out, so it may have seemed more clearly implied to me than to others.) As far as other Alphas are concerned, Damien's buddy Rufino was pretty sharp, I thought, and Bardasano was no dummy (not too tiightly wrapped, but no dummy). Anisimovna played the President of Monica and the New Tuscany government like cheap violins and accomplished every one of the tasks she was set by her superiors. And then there's O'Hanrahan. And once Jack McBryde recognized the truth about the Alignment (and his own complicity), I thought he was pretty darned effective.

I will guarantee you that you've seen at least one Alpha who is positively brilliant and extremely deadly, although I will leave the aforesaid Alpha's identity a bit of a mystery for the moment. Be interesting to see if anyone can identify the person I'm thinking about.


I swear to the Tester, the Comforter, and the Intercessor, if you tell me Eloise Pritchart is from an Alpha line, I will have your hide for slippers a la Harrington. :evil: 8-)

Not Eloise, Secretary Nesbit. His cousin was actively working with Gioncola. Had Eloise been a star line MAlign agent, she would have attacked the SEM after the SLN had depleted their missile supplies. Oh, like after the third attack against the Capitol system.

She would have blackened Haven's reputation and destroyed the SEM. Leaving the SLN very depleted and without the MWJ to fund their rebuilding. Eloise would have found a way to resume the Duquesne plan to complete the destruction of the SL. The RF would have seemed like a breath of fresh air by comparison.
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Re: Top 5 Hardest Pills To Swallow
Post by BobG   » Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:06 pm

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runsforcelery wrote:
I will guarantee you that you've seen at least one Alpha who is positively brilliant and extremely deadly, although I will leave the aforesaid Alpha's identity a bit of a mystery for the moment. Be interesting to see if anyone can identify the person I'm thinking about.
Could Victor Cachet be an Alpha line whose parents died, and was adopted by others as a child?

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