Uncompromising way out of order snippet for Rose

roseandheather wrote:Um, fellas?

Pardon my moment of pure self-centeredness here, but I think y'all are forgetting one other, rather compelling reason to suspect that our mystery skipper is a Havenite.

She was mentioned, quite specifically, by RFC, as a character he thought I in particular would like.

And given that I'm known on these forums for being drawn to one star nation's characters in particular....

Rose, you do realize there is a possibility that this particular character happens to be YOUR red shirt?

I can just visualize it. The heroic captain Roseande Heather Philahaven kicks Sollie butt!

Theemile wrote:We're Forgetting about Missile Toe - what if the DD in question has seeded the SLN formation with bunches of stealthed drones, and a couple Missiletoe drones.

DDs don't have "bunches' of recon drones. The damn things are pretty big, like 150 tons.

And an Apollo Mk23 pod had 8 attack missiles and 1 control missile.

kzt wrote:

Theemile wrote:We're Forgetting about Missile Toe - what if the DD in question has seeded the SLN formation with bunches of stealthed drones, and a couple Missiletoe drones.

DDs don't have "bunches' of recon drones. The damn things are pretty big, like 150 tons.

And an Apollo Mk23 pod had 8 attack missiles and 1 control missile.

They only carry about 8 of the big drones, true, but the Chanson sent to Meyers to "broker peace" after Bying had been dealt with put out 2 formations of drones, (about 20-30 apiece iirc) to get a view of the system and cover their rump. The Manties must have newer, smaller drones for those defensive shells. The Sollies don't need to know the difference between a big drone and a small drone in the heat of the moment - all they know is they got a glimpse of 40+ drones swimming around their formation for a 1/10 of a sec, and something like them just popped several of their buddies.

Theemile wrote:We're Forgetting about Missile Toe - what if the DD in question has seeded the SLN formation with bunches of stealthed drones, and a couple Missiletoe drones. After mysteriously blowing up a couple BCs with the handful of MissileToe drones she actually has, the DD commander could flash the stealth systems of all the other drones she has stalking their formation, just enough to show there are enough drones to get "all yall" - even if those drones can't really do that (but the SLN doesn't have to know that....)

A Mistletoe drone carries basically one missile warhead, either a 'contact' nuke or a laserhead.

Even against SLN sensors it's damn unlikely that a Mantie armed recon drone can get into contact nuke range of a SLN BC. (Unless you're going for sidewall burning only you'd need to get the warhead to, and penetrate through, the sidewalls just 10 km off the BC's flanks before detonation. A down the throat shot would have more standoff but still you're talking about at the very most maybe a thousand km.

So I don't think that's plausible.
But you'd need a contact nuke to hope to kill a BC in one hit.

Now a Mistletoe with a laser head has a much better chance of slipping in, dead ahead or astern, within ~50,000 km. That would let them fire the laserhead directly into the armored, but not sidewall protected, hammerhead. That's not going to kill a BC but it might lame it a bit.

What I don't know is if they're good, and accurate, enough to go for a deliberate golden BB. If you could pull it off probably the most devastating single laserhead strike would be to position the drone out very high (or low) but still ahead of the BC. From that spot there's a narrow angle that just clears the wedge yet skims past the armored forward hammerhead to hit the lightly armored ventral (or dorsal) surface and better yet the aft impeller nodes.
The golden BB would be a shot that pithed enough nodes and impeller rooms to destabilize and drop the aft rings. That'd drastically cut the BC's acceleration. (So it's consorts have to decide whether the abandon it, or to slow to a crawl to keep their defensive umbrella covering it)

Theemile wrote:

roseandheather wrote:Um, fellas?

Pardon my moment of pure self-centeredness here, but I think y'all are forgetting one other, rather compelling reason to suspect that our mystery skipper is a Havenite.

She was mentioned, quite specifically, by RFC, as a character he thought I in particular would like.

And given that I'm known on these forums for being drawn to one star nation's characters in particular....

Rose, you do realize there is a possibility that this particular character happens to be YOUR red shirt?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

You're adorable.

Please. If I were to turn up as a redshirt, I'd probably be some little administrative gofer/lackey who spends her days doing menial bureaucratic stuff for Eloise Pritchart or Estelle Matsuko and is thrilled to be doing it. My moral fortitude isn't anywhere near enough to captain an LAC let alone anything hypercapable, and that's without getting started on my maths abilities!

If, though, by some strange chance, she is my redshirt, regardless of her fate, I can only say:

Sir, it has been an honor.

Jonathan_S wrote:

Theemile wrote:We're Forgetting about Missile Toe - what if the DD in question has seeded the SLN formation with bunches of stealthed drones, and a couple Missiletoe drones. After mysteriously blowing up a couple BCs with the handful of MissileToe drones she actually has, the DD commander could flash the stealth systems of all the other drones she has stalking their formation, just enough to show there are enough drones to get "all yall" - even if those drones can't really do that (but the SLN doesn't have to know that....)

A Mistletoe drone carries basically one missile warhead, either a 'contact' nuke or a laserhead.

Even against SLN sensors it's damn unlikely that a Mantie armed recon drone can get into contact nuke range of a SLN BC. (Unless you're going for sidewall burning only you'd need to get the warhead to, and penetrate through, the sidewalls just 10 km off the BC's flanks before detonation. A down the throat shot would have more standoff but still you're talking about at the very most maybe a thousand km.

So I don't think that's plausible.
But you'd need a contact nuke to hope to kill a BC in one hit.

Now a Mistletoe with a laser head has a much better chance of slipping in, dead ahead or astern, within ~50,000 km. That would let them fire the laserhead directly into the armored, but not sidewall protected, hammerhead. That's not going to kill a BC but it might lame it a bit.

What I don't know is if they're good, and accurate, enough to go for a deliberate golden BB. If you could pull it off probably the most devastating single laserhead strike would be to position the drone out very high (or low) but still ahead of the BC. From that spot there's a narrow angle that just clears the wedge yet skims past the armored forward hammerhead to hit the lightly armored ventral (or dorsal) surface and better yet the aft impeller nodes.
The golden BB would be a shot that pithed enough nodes and impeller rooms to destabilize and drop the aft rings. That'd drastically cut the BC's acceleration. (So it's consorts have to decide whether the abandon it, or to slow to a crawl to keep their defensive umbrella covering it)

it is possible that a contact nuke was placed so that an orbiting ship would engulf the drone with it's wedge opening - just give it a push in the right direction, and drop the drone's wedge and hope the other stealth systems work. Then, at the right time - whump. Not likely to be repeated, but possible.

Rmemeber, the snipet don't say how many ships she has slain, just she killed at least some Sollies, and is threatening the others.

I don't know how plausible it is, but there are few other ways a DD can do enough damage to freighten a BC feet.

Brigade XO wrote:We don't yet know. On the other hand, there was that approx 25% of SL member systems that voted with/for Beowulf instead of launching an investigation about their potential wrongdoing in not letting the SLN take over the Sigma Draconis Terminus to "assist" Filareta.

That is not strictly true. In A Rising Thunder 25% of the delegates voted in favour of Beowulf. As many of the Shell Systems will only have one or, at most, two or three delegates compared to the Core Worlds who have up to eight or nine delegates each it could well be that a larger percentage of member systems who would be actively considering Secession or at least oppose the actions of the Federal Government; (meaning the 5 Mandarins).

runsforcelery wrote:
“I can’t compel you to do anything without killing more of your ships, Admiral,” she said flatly, “and between the two of us, I think enough people have already died today. So here’s my proposition. You take your surviving ships, and you get the hell out of Hypatia. I’m sure the Hypatians will take care of rescuing all your surviving personnel, assuming they can stop trying to save the civilians — the children — the Solarian League is willing to murder to make a political statement. If you don’t want to do that, that’s fine. You’ve got ten minutes to make up your mind. If you decide to stay, then I suppose you and I will find out how many more of your battlecruisers I can take out, one-by-one, until you — or your successor — finally figure out where I really am and manage to return fire. Of course, even when you do, my defenses are designed to stand up to Manticoran missile fire, aren’t they? And, trust me, I’m one hell of a lot faster than anything you’ve got. You can’t find me, you can’t hit me, you can’t catch me, and you damned well can’t outrun me.

“So you make up your mind, Admiral Yountz. You tell me what you’re going to do and whether or not I’m going have to start killing more Sollies today after all.

I LIKE her attitude.

iranuke wrote:

runsforcelery wrote:
“I can’t compel you to do anything without killing more of your ships, Admiral,” she said flatly, “and between the two of us, I think enough people have already died today. So here’s my proposition. You take your surviving ships, and you get the hell out of Hypatia. I’m sure the Hypatians will take care of rescuing all your surviving personnel, assuming they can stop trying to save the civilians — the children — the Solarian League is willing to murder to make a political statement. If you don’t want to do that, that’s fine. You’ve got ten minutes to make up your mind. If you decide to stay, then I suppose you and I will find out how many more of your battlecruisers I can take out, one-by-one, until you — or your successor — finally figure out where I really am and manage to return fire. Of course, even when you do, my defenses are designed to stand up to Manticoran missile fire, aren’t they? And, trust me, I’m one hell of a lot faster than anything you’ve got. You can’t find me, you can’t hit me, you can’t catch me, and you damned well can’t outrun me.

“So you make up your mind, Admiral Yountz. You tell me what you’re going to do and whether or not I’m going have to start killing more Sollies today after all.

I LIKE her attitude.

Wait'll you hear Honor talking to Kingsford.

In person.