SLN Reserve

I wonder about the actual size and quality of training for the people who would be making up the personel of the SLN Reserves. What have they been trained on and how current is the training. At the very least, the majority of Naval Reserve personel are probably Battle Fleet and that would be bent in the direction of that massive number of "SD" sized ships of varioius ages and upgrade stages in the Reserve Fleet.
FF may or may not have anything like the potential crew (and logistic support) pool of Reserve personel and they are the ones who are the most likely to have had some actual combat/active duty experience instead of swanning around in SDs looking important.

FF and BF have now lost a vast amount of trained, "active duty" people in just the goings on with Byng, Crandal & Filerta. They are just gone (dead or surrendered) and all of the experience that represents up to in most importantly the recent rounds of engagement when they MIGHT have learned something useful that could be used against the Manties but are not going to be going home to pass it along.

So, IF the SL calls up 3 or 4 Million of people who are actual on the books and have some sort of regular/current training from their Naval Reserve personl pool AND if they are able to sucessfully recall any significant number of recently retired (but not in "the reserves") experienced people, they are still faced with having crap for ships to be sent out with stale/impractical tactics and massivly less effective weapons agains experienced and very well equipmed enemies.
How long to call up the reserves (4 millillion, 20 million, pick a number when thousands of planets can have a billion people), get them into the system & and up to speed to do the current jobs that can be done with a lot of now obsolete ships and turn them into functiong crews and logistics support.
Dammed nightmare. The turkey shoot will continue though possibly the losses will start to more from ships that surrender after making some token resistance.

Brigade XO wrote:I wonder about the actual size and quality of training for the people who would be making up the personel of the SLN Reserves. What have they been trained on and how current is the training. At the very least, the majority of Naval Reserve personel are probably Battle Fleet and that would be bent in the direction of that massive number of "SD" sized ships of varioius ages and upgrade stages in the Reserve Fleet.
FF may or may not have anything like the potential crew (and logistic support) pool of Reserve personel and they are the ones who are the most likely to have had some actual combat/active duty experience instead of swanning around in SDs looking important.

FF and BF have now lost a vast amount of trained, "active duty" people in just the goings on with Byng, Crandal & Filerta. They are just gone (dead or surrendered) and all of the experience that represents up to in most importantly the recent rounds of engagement when they MIGHT have learned something useful that could be used against the Manties but are not going to be going home to pass it along.

So, IF the SL calls up 3 or 4 Million of people who are actual on the books and have some sort of regular/current training from their Naval Reserve personl pool AND if they are able to sucessfully recall any significant number of recently retired (but not in "the reserves") experienced people, they are still faced with having crap for ships to be sent out with stale/impractical tactics and massivly less effective weapons agains experienced and very well equipmed enemies.
How long to call up the reserves (4 millillion, 20 million, pick a number when thousands of planets can have a billion people), get them into the system & and up to speed to do the current jobs that can be done with a lot of now obsolete ships and turn them into functiong crews and logistics support.
Dammed nightmare. The turkey shoot will continue though possibly the losses will start to more from ships that surrender after making some token resistance.

Brigade, I'm not certain why you are worried, the SLN has a plan for this very contingency.

Unfortunately, the 4 staffers sent to retrieve the plan asphyxiated when one blew the dust off the folder, and were unable to find an exit from the room in time . We've been told that the air quality in that records room will be safe to enter in 3-4 months. At which time another team will be sent in to retrieve the plan and then the SLN will begin implementation.

Theemile wrote:
Brigade, I'm not certain why you are worried, the SLN has a plan for this very contingency.

Unfortunately, the 4 staffers sent to retrieve the plan asphyxiated when one blew the dust off the folder, and were unable to find an exit from the room in time . We've been told that the air quality in that records room will be safe to enter in 3-4 months. At which time another team will be sent in to retrieve the plan and then the SLN will begin implementation.

WRONG! The plans are here: https://youtu.be/FRP0MBNoieY?t=1m18s

Brigade XO wrote:...
How long to call up the reserves (4 millillion, 20 million, pick a number when thousands of planets can have a billion people), get them into the system & and up to speed to do the current jobs that can be done with a lot of now obsolete ships and turn them into functiong crews and logistics support.
Dammed nightmare. The turkey shoot will continue though possibly the losses will start to more from ships that surrender after making some token resistance.

It depends greatly on what kind of system they have for it and how they handle it.

During the cold war, my own country could crash mobilise about 10% of the population in a 2 week period(800k-1M, around 1/4 homeguard, half of which could be ready in a day or two and ~1/10 armed civil defense). The effects on the economy would be serious though as it effectively removes a quarter of the workforce almost instantly.

OTOH, the SLN BF reserves make up only a tiny percentage of the population total, so at least that shouldn´t be a problem for them.

However, the SLN is pretty much guaranteed to not have any kind of rapid mobilisation storages, so even at best at least a month for any sizeable numbers.

But of course, the SLN isn´t likely to have rapid mobilisation ANYTHING, along with personnel unlikely to have trained properly in the last decade, equipment that is in mothball rather than readiness storage etc.

2-8 weeks to get a significant portion of personnel into repetition/refresher training while the most up to date personnel start work on getting ships back online...
6 months for at least 1/4 of the reserve to be operational is definitely very workable if you put a good organiser in charge, with 4/5ths in less than a year.

Considerably less if the reserve has tried to maintain any preparedness at all and there actually is some kind of readiness system.

Twice the time if corruption is BAD.

The big question being if any of the reserve personnel are just administrative ghosts, or so untrained that they essentially need to be trained from zero to become viable crew.
Still, we know from how Peep Haven managed that earlier, that it can still be done relatively quickly.

Tenshinai wrote:But of course, the SLN isn´t likely to have rapid mobilisation ANYTHING, along with personnel unlikely to have trained properly in the last decade, equipment that is in mothball rather than readiness storage etc.

2-8 weeks to get a significant portion of personnel into repetition/refresher training while the most up to date personnel start work on getting ships back online...
6 months for at least 1/4 of the reserve to be operational is definitely very workable if you put a good organiser in charge, with 4/5ths in less than a year.

I'd say those numbers could only hold if the reservists, training facilities, mothballed ships, and reactivation yards were all in the same system. If you don't have a training center on each planet you call up reservists from your got weeks to months of transit time just moving them to where they'll start refresher training. Similarly if the ships for them to man aren't in the same system they're training in you've got another weeks to months delay sailing the newly retrained crews to their ships.

But since we're fairly sure that the SLN's mothballed fleet is only located in s handfull of systems either the reserve activation will only affect those systems or you'll need a much longer best-case timeline than you proposed.

MaxxQ wrote:

Theemile wrote:
Brigade, I'm not certain why you are worried, the SLN has a plan for this very contingency.

Unfortunately, the 4 staffers sent to retrieve the plan asphyxiated when one blew the dust off the folder, and were unable to find an exit from the room in time . We've been told that the air quality in that records room will be safe to enter in 3-4 months. At which time another team will be sent in to retrieve the plan and then the SLN will begin implementation.

WRONG! The plans are here: https://youtu.be/FRP0MBNoieY?t=1m18s

No, It will be found eventually in a disused lavatory in the basement of the Admiralty building in a locked filing cabinet where the lights haven't worked in ten years down a corridor marked with a sign saying "Beware of the Leper".

Jonathan_S wrote:

Tenshinai wrote:But of course, the SLN isn´t likely to have rapid mobilisation ANYTHING, along with personnel unlikely to have trained properly in the last decade, equipment that is in mothball rather than readiness storage etc.

2-8 weeks to get a significant portion of personnel into repetition/refresher training while the most up to date personnel start work on getting ships back online...
6 months for at least 1/4 of the reserve to be operational is definitely very workable if you put a good organiser in charge, with 4/5ths in less than a year.

I'd say those numbers could only hold if the reservists, training facilities, mothballed ships, and reactivation yards were all in the same system. If you don't have a training center on each planet you call up reservists from your got weeks to months of transit time just moving them to where they'll start refresher training. Similarly if the ships for them to man aren't in the same system they're training in you've got another weeks to months delay sailing the newly retrained crews to their ships.

But since we're fairly sure that the SLN's mothballed fleet is only located in s handfull of systems either the reserve activation will only affect those systems or you'll need a much longer best-case timeline than you proposed.

We also know that most of the mothballed ships are at least months away from being usable, with the majority being much more than that (1 year +). Just loading provisions on an RMN ship requires weeks or months, and I doubt that the SLN is as proficient as the RMN or that there are sufficient modern ready provisions available for more than a few % of the fleet at any location.

MaxxQ wrote:

Theemile wrote:
Brigade, I'm not certain why you are worried, the SLN has a plan for this very contingency.

Unfortunately, the 4 staffers sent to retrieve the plan asphyxiated when one blew the dust off the folder, and were unable to find an exit from the room in time . We've been told that the air quality in that records room will be safe to enter in 3-4 months. At which time another team will be sent in to retrieve the plan and then the SLN will begin implementation.

WRONG! The plans are here: https://youtu.be/FRP0MBNoieY?t=1m18s

Ahhh.... you have footage of the records room in question....

Theemile wrote:We also know that most of the mothballed ships are at least months away from being usable, with the majority being much more than that (1 year +). Just loading provisions on an RMN ship requires weeks or months, and I doubt that the SLN is as proficient as the RMN or that there are sufficient modern ready provisions available for more than a few % of the fleet at any location.

Referring to the text I bolded above: Do you have any text evidence of any instances where RMN ships took weeks or months to load provisions? I can't remember any.

Jonathan_S wrote:I'd say those numbers could only hold if the reservists, training facilities, mothballed ships, and reactivation yards were all in the same system.

Mostly, they probably are, if nothing else for convenience and to avoid adding extra costs.

Jonathan_S wrote:If you don't have a training center on each planet you call up reservists from your got weeks to months of transit time just moving them to where they'll start refresher training. Similarly if the ships for them to man aren't in the same system they're training in you've got another weeks to months delay sailing the newly retrained crews to their ships.

But since we're fairly sure that the SLN's mothballed fleet is only located in s handfull of systems either the reserve activation will only affect those systems or you'll need a much longer best-case timeline than you proposed.

Most likely, the reserves are at the same bases(/systems) where the majority of training happened and where they initially served, and it is very likely that if you want to get paid as a reservist, you need to be available, which means reservists probably end up living in the same systems as they have mobilisation deployment in.

Sure, not everyone is going to be "home" at any single moment, but most will be as only transstellar travel puts people out of touch with their military posting.