The Harrington vs Styles Brouhaha

wiki wrote:Military Tribunal on Hades


A military tribunal was established by Admiral Honor Harrington after her forces took over the Havenite planetary prison Hades in 1913 PD.

Taking over Hades created the problem of how to cope with crimes committed there by State Security personnel. According to the Grayson Articles of War, Admiral Harrington, as the senior officer of the anti-Havenite forces present, was obliged to punish those guilty of criminal conduct in her command area.
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Applied law
Section Twenty-Seven of the Deneb Accords prohibited any trial of enemy personnel in time or war. Subsection Forty-Two specifically provided for wartime trials of individuals for alleged violation of local laws predating their capture, but prohibited ex post facto trials under the law of whoever captured them.

Most legal authorities interpreted that as meaning that those accused of violations should be tried in civilian courts following the end of hostilities. Due to a wartime situation Admiral Harrington decided to establish rather a military tribunal, and empanel it with officers drawn from those imprisoned on Hades. Possibly there were used some procedures from the Manticoran Articles of War, suitable for court-martial.

Accused StateSec functionaries were judged under procedures and provisons of the People's Uniform Code of Conduct and the Havenite Field Regulations. (HH8)

Established rules
There were at least two rules implemented by the members of the military tribunal:

• 1. The rule of unanimous voting concerning capital punishments - this allowed Admiral Sabrina Longmont, of the People's Navy, to accept the invitation to the military tribunal board.
• 2. Unanimous election of the president by the other members military tribunal - this way, the members of the tribunal emphasized the principle of impartiality, as Captain McKeon had never been harmed by StateSec functionaries on Hades.

Sentences of the military tribunal were endorsed by Admiral Harrington, due to her responsibility as the senior officer present. (HH8)

Members
Admiral Harrington appointed to the Tribunal:

• Captain (SG) Alistair McKeon, of the Royal Manticoran Navy, elected to the position of the president
• Commander Albert Hurst, of the Helmsport Navy, who represented the inmates of Camp Inferno
• Captain Cynthia Gonsalves, of the Alto Verdan Navy, who represented the other military prisoners
• Commodore Gaston Simmons, of the Jameston System Navy, who represented the other military prisoners as well
• Admiral Sabrina Longmont, of the People's Navy, a political prisoner, the only member of the tribunal who did not join the anti-Havenite forces.

Admiral Parnell, Commodore Ramirez and Captain Benson declined invitations to the tribunal board, due to their lack of impartiality.

Appointing to the tribunal board Commander Hurst, Captain Gonsalves and Commodore Simmons, Admiral Harrington recognized their ranks obtained in the Helmsport Navy, the Alto Verde Navy and the Jameston System Navy[3]. (HH8)

Results
As a result:

• at least 58 StateSec functionaries were sentenced to death,
• at least one – Lieutenant of StateSec Kenneth Mangrum - was sentenced to 77 years of prison,
• at least one case was dismissed – Commander of StateSec Ragman, chief communications officer, accused of torture and murder, committed suicide before trial.

StateSec functionaries belonged to Major General of StateSec Thornegrave's expedition were not judged. (HH8)

References

• 1. ↑ eg. junior member of the tribunal in rank of Commander, while known, the most senior accused person was Commander also
• 2. ↑ eg. admissibility of proofs
• 3. ↑ The Star Kingdom of Manticore at least de facto recognized Havenite soveregnity in the Trevor's Star System, it was also mentioned Pegasus System and Gaston System were annexed by the People's Republic of Haven on a basis of their requests.

In Enemy Hands, Chpater 18 wrote:"Among the prisoners we've so far identified are Prince Adrian's commander, Captain Alistair McKeon, RMN, and the commander of the escort squadron attached to the convoy which evaded our attack, Commodore Honor Harrington. We also have several of Commodore Harrington's staff officers in custody." She paused again, almost as if she found what she'd just said impossible to believe, and then her shoulders twitched in the tiniest of shrugs.

cthia wrote:Did Styles have a legal leg to stand on? Indeed, Harrington did not outrank him in their native military.

IINM, Harrington was a mere Captain at the time in the RMN and when interacting with other RMN officers her Grayson rank of Admiral would not stick. Perhaps Styles could have defeated a court-martial?

If the situation were reversed, would it have sufficed for Styles to pull the same crap on Honor as she did on him?

If ever there was a stacked deck. So much for Styles' rights for an impartial jury. The legends of Harrington had preceded her. The entire island was a Harrington fan club.

wiki wrote:Military Tribunal on Hades


A military tribunal was established by Admiral Honor Harrington after her forces took over the Havenite planetary prison Hades in 1913 PD.

Taking over Hades created the problem of how to cope with crimes committed there by State Security personnel. According to the Grayson Articles of War, Admiral Harrington, as the senior officer of the anti-Havenite forces present, was obliged to punish those guilty of criminal conduct in her command area.
Contents

Applied law
Section Twenty-Seven of the Deneb Accords prohibited any trial of enemy personnel in time or war. Subsection Forty-Two specifically provided for wartime trials of individuals for alleged violation of local laws predating their capture, but prohibited ex post facto trials under the law of whoever captured them.

Most legal authorities interpreted that as meaning that those accused of violations should be tried in civilian courts following the end of hostilities. Due to a wartime situation Admiral Harrington decided to establish rather a military tribunal, and empanel it with officers drawn from those imprisoned on Hades. Possibly there were used some procedures from the Manticoran Articles of War, suitable for court-martial.

Accused StateSec functionaries were judged under procedures and provisons of the People's Uniform Code of Conduct and the Havenite Field Regulations. (HH8)

Established rules
There were at least two rules implemented by the members of the military tribunal:

• 1. The rule of unanimous voting concerning capital punishments - this allowed Admiral Sabrina Longmont, of the People's Navy, to accept the invitation to the military tribunal board.
• 2. Unanimous election of the president by the other members military tribunal - this way, the members of the tribunal emphasized the principle of impartiality, as Captain McKeon had never been harmed by StateSec functionaries on Hades.

Sentences of the military tribunal were endorsed by Admiral Harrington, due to her responsibility as the senior officer present. (HH8)

Members
Admiral Harrington appointed to the Tribunal:

• Captain (SG) Alistair McKeon, of the Royal Manticoran Navy, elected to the position of the president
• Commander Albert Hurst, of the Helmsport Navy, who represented the inmates of Camp Inferno
• Captain Cynthia Gonsalves, of the Alto Verdan Navy, who represented the other military prisoners
• Commodore Gaston Simmons, of the Jameston System Navy, who represented the other military prisoners as well
• Admiral Sabrina Longmont, of the People's Navy, a political prisoner, the only member of the tribunal who did not join the anti-Havenite forces.

Admiral Parnell, Commodore Ramirez and Captain Benson declined invitations to the tribunal board, due to their lack of impartiality.

Appointing to the tribunal board Commander Hurst, Captain Gonsalves and Commodore Simmons, Admiral Harrington recognized their ranks obtained in the Helmsport Navy, the Alto Verde Navy and the Jameston System Navy[3]. (HH8)

Results
As a result:

• at least 58 StateSec functionaries were sentenced to death,
• at least one – Lieutenant of StateSec Kenneth Mangrum - was sentenced to 77 years of prison,
• at least one case was dismissed – Commander of StateSec Ragman, chief communications officer, accused of torture and murder, committed suicide before trial.

StateSec functionaries belonged to Major General of StateSec Thornegrave's expedition were not judged. (HH8)

References

• 1. ↑ eg. junior member of the tribunal in rank of Commander, while known, the most senior accused person was Commander also
• 2. ↑ eg. admissibility of proofs
• 3. ↑ The Star Kingdom of Manticore at least de facto recognized Havenite soveregnity in the Trevor's Star System, it was also mentioned Pegasus System and Gaston System were annexed by the People's Republic of Haven on a basis of their requests.

cthia wrote:Did Styles have a legal leg to stand on? Indeed, Harrington did not outrank him in their native military.

IINM, Harrington was a mere Captain at the time in the RMN and when interacting with other RMN officers her Grayson rank of Admiral would not stick. Perhaps Styles could have defeated a court-martial?

If the situation were reversed, would it have sufficed for Styles to pull the same crap on Honor as she did on him?

If ever there was a stacked deck. So much for Styles' rights for an impartial jury. The legends of Harrington had preceded her. The entire island was a Harrington fan club.

wiki wrote:Military Tribunal on Hades


A military tribunal was established by Admiral Honor Harrington after her forces took over the Havenite planetary prison Hades in 1913 PD.

Taking over Hades created the problem of how to cope with crimes committed there by State Security personnel. According to the Grayson Articles of War, Admiral Harrington, as the senior officer of the anti-Havenite forces present, was obliged to punish those guilty of criminal conduct in her command area.
Contents

Applied law
Section Twenty-Seven of the Deneb Accords prohibited any trial of enemy personnel in time or war. Subsection Forty-Two specifically provided for wartime trials of individuals for alleged violation of local laws predating their capture, but prohibited ex post facto trials under the law of whoever captured them.

Most legal authorities interpreted that as meaning that those accused of violations should be tried in civilian courts following the end of hostilities. Due to a wartime situation Admiral Harrington decided to establish rather a military tribunal, and empanel it with officers drawn from those imprisoned on Hades. Possibly there were used some procedures from the Manticoran Articles of War, suitable for court-martial.

Accused StateSec functionaries were judged under procedures and provisons of the People's Uniform Code of Conduct and the Havenite Field Regulations. (HH8)

Established rules
There were at least two rules implemented by the members of the military tribunal:

• 1. The rule of unanimous voting concerning capital punishments - this allowed Admiral Sabrina Longmont, of the People's Navy, to accept the invitation to the military tribunal board.
• 2. Unanimous election of the president by the other members military tribunal - this way, the members of the tribunal emphasized the principle of impartiality, as Captain McKeon had never been harmed by StateSec functionaries on Hades.

Sentences of the military tribunal were endorsed by Admiral Harrington, due to her responsibility as the senior officer present. (HH8)

Members
Admiral Harrington appointed to the Tribunal:

• Captain (SG) Alistair McKeon, of the Royal Manticoran Navy, elected to the position of the president
• Commander Albert Hurst, of the Helmsport Navy, who represented the inmates of Camp Inferno
• Captain Cynthia Gonsalves, of the Alto Verdan Navy, who represented the other military prisoners
• Commodore Gaston Simmons, of the Jameston System Navy, who represented the other military prisoners as well
• Admiral Sabrina Longmont, of the People's Navy, a political prisoner, the only member of the tribunal who did not join the anti-Havenite forces.

Admiral Parnell, Commodore Ramirez and Captain Benson declined invitations to the tribunal board, due to their lack of impartiality.

Appointing to the tribunal board Commander Hurst, Captain Gonsalves and Commodore Simmons, Admiral Harrington recognized their ranks obtained in the Helmsport Navy, the Alto Verde Navy and the Jameston System Navy[3]. (HH8)

Results
As a result:

• at least 58 StateSec functionaries were sentenced to death,
• at least one – Lieutenant of StateSec Kenneth Mangrum - was sentenced to 77 years of prison,
• at least one case was dismissed – Commander of StateSec Ragman, chief communications officer, accused of torture and murder, committed suicide before trial.

StateSec functionaries belonged to Major General of StateSec Thornegrave's expedition were not judged. (HH8)

References

• 1. ↑ eg. junior member of the tribunal in rank of Commander, while known, the most senior accused person was Commander also
• 2. ↑ eg. admissibility of proofs
• 3. ↑ The Star Kingdom of Manticore at least de facto recognized Havenite soveregnity in the Trevor's Star System, it was also mentioned Pegasus System and Gaston System were annexed by the People's Republic of Haven on a basis of their requests.

munroburton wrote:Textev in HAE(when Honor was still a RMN Captain) that the GSN had quietly kept her on the active service list as an admiral and that all Honor had to do was no longer be on active RMN duty to automatically revert to that rank.

So strictly speaking, her first hat became the GSN admiral as soon as HMS Prince Adrian surrendered, as she was no longer CO of that Cruiser Squadron.

Styles was a slam dunk for the death penalty. Even if he dodged the charges Honor laid against him, there was still the way he lost his entire command before the war started.

Heh. It occurs to me that at the time of the Great Cerberus Jailbreak, the GSN was the most powerful navy in all space and briefly held that distinction until the RMN had commissioned enough Medusas to reclaim pole position. Quite a contrast to the pre-war GSN - Styles was captured before Third Yeltsin's news could have reached him and they had only commissioned a few BCs and CAs by then.

I don't see any way to reverse the situation, except by removing Honor's GSN rank. In which case, Styles would've unquestionably been in command and no legal way around it. Honor likely saved his life - I'm certain one of the Inferno internees would've visited him late at night had Styles wound up in command.

munroburton wrote:Heh. It occurs to me that at the time of the Great Cerberus Jailbreak, the GSN was the most powerful navy in all space and briefly held that distinction until the RMN had commissioned enough Medusas to reclaim pole position.

drothgery wrote:

munroburton wrote:Heh. It occurs to me that at the time of the Great Cerberus Jailbreak, the GSN was the most powerful navy in all space and briefly held that distinction until the RMN had commissioned enough Medusas to reclaim pole position.

Not remotely. The GSN had a few Harringtons before the RMN's first Medusa, but it had way, way fewer wallers at that time. This was pre-Apollo; a Harrington might be worth more than two Gryphons, but it's not worth more than ten.